How do you feel about Israel?

Neutral. On the plus side, I am very fond of Israeli society and culture, building a modern state on a desert while surrounded by enemies is something their arab counterparts can only dream of. Also, when someone is lobing rockets and bombs on your civilians, I cant help but consider the overall response of Israel as mild. On the minus side, they are responsible for some human rights abuses and questionable annexations of territory.

Nobody is innocent in this conflict.

 

An additional problem is water and the ruined water table of the Jordan Bsin.

 

I knew the were up to petra, which i thought was further south btw, but were they really in the heartlands of israel and not just on the outskirts? Ive always thought they were confined to, well the arabian peninsula, before their conquests in the 7th century. Were they all the way to tje mediterranean?

 

Oy vey, oy vey...you could always convert and LEAVE, if you are so disenchanted with Sweden, and so much in love with the Zionist entity?

 

No, i dont want to be a jew. Thatd be odd. And i dont like israel specifically but the west in general.

 

Well, it would hurt for one thing!

 

The Arabs poured out of the Arabian peninsula in waves.. the first being about 6,000 years ago.. long before Islam.. and there was always trade. This may help..

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/277593-marsh-arabs-iraq.html

Maybe there was a real Abraham.. or maybe he was a composite figure or a literary device. Theisinger lived with the Marsh Arabs about 20 years and used to come to Arabia to speak.

He thought they were descended from the Babylonians and Summerians and migrants from northeastern Arabia and Bahrain.

 

I think that Israel has a right to exist but they are on a very self-destructive path. I feel bad for the people of Israel. I feel bad for all civilians caught up in pointless, violent BS.

 

I agree that Israel have the right to exist.. They should do so within their own borders.

Well said and good post.

 

Negative. They attacked the USS liberty and killed american soldiers time and time again and they deserve to pay for that.

 

Why are they deserving of any pity?

I think they have had too much pity, for too long.

 

It's due to the Zionist Jew infiltration of your body politic, that nothing was done.

Look, here is more, since you are clearly interested in this.

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On Friday, Patricia Blue-Rousakis plans to be at Arlington National Cemetery where she has spent many June 8ths for the past 15 years.

There, she’ll join with a handful of survivors of the 1967 attack on the surveillance ship USS Liberty, which was struck by Israeli air and naval forces. The group will hear a retired chaplain say a prayer, visit with those in attendance -- some, like herself, who lost family members on the Liberty -- and then go off to lunch in Alexandria, Va.

But even after so many years, and knowing full well that the topic of the Liberty is widely viewed as poisonous, the visitors still note the absence of political and military officials at the observance.

“We talk about it among ourselves,” said Blue-Rousakis, whose first husband, Alan Blue, was a National Security Agency linguist on the ship. He was among the 34 men killed and 174 wounded in the attack.

“Of the family members and the survivors, every single one of us at one time or another has invited our representative from [the House] and the Senate. And no one has ever shown up. No one. It’s a very sad little gathering.”

It’s just not the politicians, she said.

Forty-five years after the attack, no uniformed officers are expected to attend the ceremony.

“They won’t do it. They absolutely will not do it,” she said.

The lightly armed American spy ship was strafed, napalmed and torpedoed by Israeli air and naval forces for more than an hour in broad daylight during the Six-Day War. But for a crewman gerry-rigging a radio to get a message out to the fleet, many Liberty survivors believe they would have been sunk with all hands.

President Lyndon Johnson accepted Israel’s apology for the attack, but it has remained hotly controversial ever since, a lightning rod for conspiracy theorists. Alternative theories about Israel’s attack -- about it being deliberate; about cover-ups -- have made the topic of the Liberty too radioactive for members of Congress or Pentagon leaders.

Journalist and author James Scott, whose father survived the attack, wrote in “Attack on the Liberty” that Johnson believed the attack was deliberate. But he let Israel off the hook because he feared “alienating” American Jewish leaders, from whom he was getting “pressure” for escalating the war in Vietnam.

Joseph Meadors, a Liberty survivor and the current president of the Liberty Veterans Association, said he and his predecessors have been inviting members of Congress to Arlington since they began holding the observances in the 1980s, he said.

“This year I’ve invited every member of Congress who represents a congressional district where a USS Liberty KIA lived,” Meadors said. This meant invitations to lawmakers from 21 states. So far three lawmakers have said they would send staffers, but as of Wednesday one staffer had bailed out, saying there was a scheduling conflict.

This is usually how it works, Meadors said. He said he’d be surprised if the other staffers show.

One lawmaker, Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn, responded to the invitation with a brief note to be read at the ceremony. Cornyn offered his “deep sympathy to the friends and loved ones of the 34 brave Americans who were lost that day.

“Although words are hardly adequate, please know that you and your families are in my thoughts and prayers.” The note spoke of honoring the dead who protect the United States, and of remaining dedicated, “just as they were dedicated, to the principles foundational to our Constitution, we must willingly defend them whenever necessary.”

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...mbering-uss-liberty-sad-little-gathering.html

 

I feel that the zionists are the last surviving nazis and that their occupation must be ended as was the occupation of Poland or Bulgaria, to be followed by war crimes trials under international control. The Jewish people living in Palestine are, of course, quite a different matter, and there is no sensible answer but to treat them, like all the ethnically cleansed natives who return, as citizens of a non-racist Palestine.

 

I am thinking that today people are on the edge. That persons have lost sight of what it is like to besieged. That one nation is in the center of a crisis that can only be solved by its disappearance.

 

I should be amused?

 

I have only just joined and already the response is shaky at best?!?!

 

Should have made votes public..

 

I am amused at the number of numbskulls who haven't a clue what it means to be surrounded by nations who are four-square and hell-bent on your removal from existence. Would an intruder in your home be welcome to sit down and have some chili or would an intruder be welcome to the business end of a double-barrel?

 

It is an obsession you with people..

 

My aim was to see how the forum felt about israel and discuss israel, having the votes public might've dicouraged some from voting oddly enough. I can tell you I voted positive though.

 

Really?

Wow.

I for one am shocked.

What next - How much do you really love Israel

A) A Lot

B) Hmm baby, pass the yamalka

C) Oy vey

D) Right to exist

 

Really?

Wow.

I for one am shocked.

What next - How much do you really love Israel

A) A Lot

B) Hmm baby, pass the yamalka

C) Oy vey

D) Right to exist

 

D

and because their nieghbors are savages

 

Yup...spoken like a true Isr...I mean Swede.

 

And because they share basic beliefs with me which is a pro in itself, and it just happens to be so that these particular beliefs are good. Namely democracy, rule of law, secularism etc. western thinking really.