How do you justify over 400 kids a day dead or wounded?

https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/child-casualties-gaza-growing-stain-our-collective-conscience

400 kids a day.
Can you imagine a soldier defending blowing up a school because a terrorist might be in it?
Could you imagine what the reaction in Iowa would be if the police shot up third grade at PS 427 in DesMoines and declared sorry for the collateral dead kids but WHOO HOOO we got the terrorist!
Sacrificing kids to protect soldiers is never a good thing.
Hamas shouldn't hide with kids and Israel should not shoot at kids...

 

You cannot compare the US, any part of it, with what is going on in Gaza/Israel. The situations are so completely different that its like taking a grain of sand and claiming its a Dyson Sphere. Hamas's mandate is to completely get rid of Israel and all the Jewish people in it. And they WILL kill every single Jewish person to accomplish it. Including kids. Israel's very existence is at stake. And Hamas isn't just one terrorist. They are a terrorist organization. Filled with thousands of people willing to kill, even to the point of blowing themselves and everyone around them up to accomplish their goal.

Let's put it this way. As a parent and I had the ability, I would kill thousands to defend my kids. I would do the same to defend my own life. Deep down, when push came to shove, I bet you would also. Why would you, or anyone else, expect Israel to do any different?

Israel is in the middle of a war right now. And war sucks. But the only way to win this type of war is to kill innocents. Sucks, but that is reality. Hamas will not relent. They might accept peace for a year or two, long enough to build up their base again and then they will attack again. They've already proven this time and again. Israel needs to put forth such overwhelming force that it will break them to the point of them never attacking again. That is really the only way that this conflict will ever end. Its sad, however, sometimes empathy needs to be put on the back burner.

Its easy to sit back in a safe location, not having to deal directly with what's going on and criticize.

 

You CANNOT justify this. Politicians are the reason this **** is happening.

Politicians start wars, starve their own citizens, and make damn sure their families are protected from this ****.

It pisses me off that the citizens of our country and of other countries that have the ability to stop this **** do absolutely nothing.

 

Hamas does not "hide with kids". That's just IDF's excuse for committing genocide.(1), (2)
Gaza is the most densely populated region on earth so it's impossible not to be near civilians.

Thanks,



(1). "The Israel Massacre Forces"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-israel-massacre-forces-1.5962852

EXCERPT "The shooting on the Gaza border shows once again that the killing of Palestinians is accepted in Israel more lightly than the killing of mosquitoes"CONTINUED


(2). "Independent investigation details Israel’s deliberate targeting of civilians in Gaza"
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/independent-investigation-deliberate/

EXCERPT "A new independent medical fact-finding mission in Gaza has detailed Israel’s deliberate killing of Palestinian civilians in its summer 2014 attack, codenamed Operation “Protective Edge.” Acts documented in the investigation include the use of human shields, close-range murder of civilians, targeting of medics, and more.

The report based on fieldwork and research conducted by Physicians for Human Rights-Israel (PHR-Israel), in conjunction with several other human rights and medical organizations, sits at a bulky 237 pages. PHR-Israel, in its words, “recruited eight independent international medical experts, unaffiliated with Israeli or Palestinian parties involved in the conflict,” leading specialists in numerous medical, health, and human rights fields. Jennifer Leaning, the Director of the Center for Health and Human Rights Department of Global Health and Population in Harvard University’s School of Public Health, was among those chosen to oversee the report."CONTINUED

 

What do you think we did to Germany in WWII? We bombed the **** out of them. Women, children, elderly, hospitals, schools, we bombed the **** out of their country with absolutely no concern whatsoever about the loss of innocent life.

War sucks. You don’t wanna be there. So get the **** out.

 

What would you expect your country to do if those animals ran into your home, shot your infant dozens of times in front of you, raped your daughter in front of your family and then sawed her head off with a dull knife in front of you?

And then those cowards ran back to their country and hid in schools and hospitals. What would you want your country to do? Cause I’d want every single person in Gaza dead.

 

That's great. In our war in Iraq based on lies, which you most likely voted for, roughly 200,000 were killed, many of them women and children. What should Iraquis do? Should they not rest until every single person in America, women and children included, is dead?

Now, I do see the Israeli need (and right) for safety and revenge. It was the same need that fueled the US lashing out after the 9/11 attacks. However, why do the Palestinian children (1 million in Gaza are under 15, who had nothing to do with the terrorist attacks) not get the same right? Is it because they are "animals"? Israel has to be careful there with the de-humanizing language. The Jewish people know first hand what happens when a whole people are dehumanized.

 

Let me ask you a question. What do you think Palestine would do if it were a military superpower? They’d wipe Israel off of the face of the planet. Every man woman and child in Israel would be raped or murdered or tortured or all three. All of their homes and religious institutions would be leveled to the ground.

And all those Palestinian women and 15 year olds would be cheering them on and dancing in the streets while they did it.

And we would be next.

 

So to be quite honest. I don’t really give a **** what happens to them. Cause they DAMN SURE don’t give a **** what happens to me or mine.

 

What do you think those Muslims in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or Syria or the Gaza Strip would do if America was under attack and being invaded by say China and Russia? Those Muslims would send every extremist they have to kill us. Their people would be cheering as their men ran through downtown Miami with our peoples heads that they sawed off in their hands.

And if we lasted long enough those 10 and 15 year olds would become 18 years olds and would be sent to rape and murder our people. Those “innocent Palestinians” would be THRILLED to see some piece of **** Muslim running down your Main Street of your hometown in the back of a pickup truck openly raping your wife and daughter before they chopped your wife’s head off and took your daughter back to their camp to use her like a sex doll while they torture her and then murder her ALL while they videotape it on her phone and send you the video and post it on the internet for the world to see.

So tell me again why I should care what happens to them?

 

I doubt either side is very discriminate with their targeting. Gaza is so densely populated, it is going to be virtually impossible not to have have a lot of civilians as collateral damage.

 

Wow, you have such a positive view of your fellow humans. No wonder that wars a rampant everywhere, with attitudes like yours abound. Of course, you are entitled to your dystopian "us vs them" world view, just don't claim that you are better or morally superior to "them".

 

And there it is. Let me ask you, does it help assuage any guilt you may feel towards the slaughter of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza by thinking of them as animals and not human beings?

 

There is no way that a vastly superior military force can rationalize the bombing of thousands of innocent civilians, including hundreds of infants.

Neither Hamas nor Likud can justify their wanton slaughter, nor can apologists for either.

 

How do you continue to justify a terrorist organization hiding behind children as they cower from accountability?

 

How do you address the folks who crossed a border to attack Israel? Do you call them the tooth fairies or something cute or endearing like that?

 

Ok. So how do you hold the responsible folks in Hamas accountable for their wanton acts killing thousands of Israelis?

 

History is full of such crimes brought in the name of organized religion.

 

Keep looking for a story where Israel was the aggressor initiating a war, rather than responding to aggression. Not finding any. Find plenty of places calling them the aggressors, but no documentation showing it was not a response to aggression by others.

Our world has changed since journalistic ethics died, and the people who lack moral compasses and values now manipulate what you see and hear to control how you think.

By manipulating how people think, they are using everyone.... targeting you, making you an accessory. You have to look hard to find truth these days... And it usually gets little attention from minds already programmed with propaganda.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/invest...orists-intentionally-targeted-elem-rcna120310

"Documents exclusively obtained by NBC News show that Hamas created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth center in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa'ad, to "kill as many people as possible," seize hostages and quickly move them into the Gaza Strip.

The attack plans, which are labeled "top secret" in Arabic, appear to be orders for two highly trained Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians, including children, gather. Israeli authorities are still determining the death toll in Kfar Sa'ad.

The documents were found on the bodies of Hamas terrorists by Israeli first responders and shared with NBC News. They include detailed maps and show that Hamas intended to kill or take hostage civilians and school children."

 

Not by Likud killing far greater numbers of Palestinian families. That pattern has only perpetuated the carnage.

If eliminating Hamas required forced, accompanied, mass evacuation by Israeli troops beforehand, why not?

 

He was clearly talking about Hamas being animals. Not anyone else. And considering what they have done, I see it as a perfect descriptor of them.

 

Isn’t it amazing how people defend terrorists by hiding behind some morally superior position held together by unverified statistics, complete lack of perspective and absolutely zero alternatives?

 

A terrorist organization that recently killed, burned, raped, and kidnapped women, children, holocaust survivors, and a 9 month old baby, is complaining to the UN that the state they attacked is indiscriminately killing children...

Priceless.

Why would anyone believe what Hamas says, it's a mystery to me.

Let's see what the report doesn't say.

The UN defines children as any human being under 18. Hence gun-toting 17 years old Hamas terrorists are reported as children when they happen to meet an Israeli bullet. Many of the dead reported as children are teen members of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or Fatah, not the innocent sweet angels we think of when we hear the magic word "children".

Since terrorists don't wear uniforms during fighting, any dead terrorist can be presented to the media as an innocent civilian brutally killed by bad Israelis. This is what Hamas is routinely doing for decades.

The Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorist Information Center is digging into Arab media to find details about each and every one of the alleged civilians killed by the IDF. Many of them are members of Hamas, Islamic Jihad, or Fatah, not innocent civilians.

This is an example of such analysis (see the full document in pdf format):
https://www.terrorism-info.org.il/e...about-half-of-them-were-terrorist-operatives/

As can be easily seen from the document, the researchers are not trying to hide civilian casualties.

I'll wait for their analysis of the names of victims in the current war to shove it under your honorable nose. Yes, I'm pissed of that you made a topic based on reports from a terrorist organization (unless you can prove that UNICEF verified each and every one of the names on the victims list independently....something they never do).

 

War is war. It ain't pretty by any means. And Hamas is the one getting those innocent civilians killed by using them as meat sheilds. Not Israel. Can you show me a single time that Israel has initiated the attacks first? With evidence, not just claims.

 

""How do we justify over 1000 people in a day dead or wounded""
Hamas killed more than 1,000 people and seized at least 100 hostages... women and children among them.