How late do women need abortions?

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  1. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Most states had abortion restrictions after 20 weeks because that is the point of viability outside the womb before Roe was overturned.
    That seemed to be an agreeable point for the average American.

    Now a question for you ... does a fetus know the difference between a miscarriage or an abortion before 20 weeks?
     
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    My advice, don’t engage the OP, he wants to start a flame war. And it seems to have worked.
     
  3. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What on earth makes you say that?

    I suspect you just don't like the question.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But does she NEED an abortion up to 20 weeks?

    I doubt the average American even knows what a fetus looks like at 20 weeks, or really understands the issue when it comes to fetal gestational development.

    I suspect "the average American" would be just as happy if the limit were set at 10 weeks instead of 20. They don't really know the difference.
     
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  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Does a newborn baby really know?

    Your question seems designed to try to stir up emotion, but is it really even getting at any logical point?

    Miscarriage is a natural death... most often caused by defects in the fetus.

    I doubt a baby would know the difference between an aortic tear and being shot in the heart. So what? What is the point of bringing up that type of question?
     
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  6. Daniel Light

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    Well, since she is an individual and not some number on a box - you don't know what her medical and mental health needs might be. If you to say
    that every case should be judged independently, we can have a starting point. If you're just going to say that every case should be decided in week 0,
    or week 5, then your treating the woman as machines for incubating, not humans.
     
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    So you won't answer the question.
     
  8. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't even understand what its point is.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see, so we are talking about her mental health needs.

    Okay then. How late does she need to get an abortion because of mental health reasons??

    Couldn't someone argue that she might need to get an abortion all the way up to the point of birth, for the sake of her "mental health"? Maybe even need to terminate beyond the point of birth?
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    I know. My point is that every pregnant woman is an individual - each pregnancy is different - and I understand that
    is incomprehensible to you.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's not that different. Not unless there are some major health issues or fetal abnormalities.

    90% of the cases are not going to be that unique.

    So far you've mentioned "mental health" reasons, that she might need to abort because of mental health.
     
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    Dude - you got to get out of your basement if you don't think that every pregnancy and every woman is comes with their own set of
    time tables and complications and reactions.
     
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    The majority, the vast majority are performed before 12 weeks. Do you know what delays abortion the most? Poverty
     
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    Are you trying to say that every woman is absolutely aware of pregnancy the minute she becomes pregnant?
     
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    You really need to explain what you see as the difference between the amount of time that is "needed," by women, for abortion, and what additional reasons, in your own mind, would motivate people to hold that every woman should be allowed a length of time, exceeding what is "needed.
     
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    Are you proposing that women be issued a loan, that they will have to repay, to finance their abortion as soon as possible?

    Then would you allow the abortion limit to be bumped down?
     
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    Are you trying to say that some women are not aware of their pregnancy until 15 or 20 weeks, and then they need to get an abortion??


    You know, my instinctive feeling is too bad for them. If they didn't realize they were pregnant all this time then they will just have to deal with it. That fetus is far too developed at that point for them to casually flush it down the toilet.

    Hopefully this is a rarer thing, isn't it? And the fact it is rare is as much of an argument to ban it as it is not to ban it, it seems to me.
     
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    I'm not sure I could answer that without being insulting to the pro-choice position.


    Hmm, what reasons indeed would there be for a woman desiring to abort a 10 or 16 week fetus when she doesn't need to.
    When she had an opportunity to terminate earlier...
     
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    I am not responding because of him/her I respond so others who read my posts may learn what is true and what is hype
     
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    https://livingwellmedicalclinic.com/abortion-costs/
    mind you I think that site that has floated to the top of the Google search might be a “Pregnancy crisis centre” but no matter - abortion is very expensive and now increasingly so. And you have to ask yourself why women who are so poor not choosing contraception?

    Well, the reliable ones are also very unaffordable
     
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    Doesn't that suggest that if she waits because she can't afford one, she will be less likely to get an abortion later on?

    Again, I don't think I can answer that without being insulting to your position.
     
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    Basically it takes time to gather the cash. Again ask yourself why are they not choosing contraception? And I am sorry dips you do not realise that it can come down to ignorance about contraception (of which I have seen gross ignorance of same on this board). It can be cost
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6739899/

    This is a very interesting study linking the use of LARCs to affordability https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/few-hundred-dollars-makes-difference-use-long-acting-birth-control
     
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    I guess your definition of 'need', isn't the same as mine, and the general world.

    Having access to any service gives you the choice use it, it doesn't mean you 'need' the service at that moment.
     
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    yea, i don't care. It's none of my business. I don't care what a woman and a doctor decide. It's none of my business.
     
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    Well said. We don't hear that anything like enough and it needs to be emphasised.
     
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