How Mass Mail-In Voting Changes Everything

Or a better title: "19Crib's gift to Progressives: You Have Won Yourself a Country"
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/how-mass-mail-in-voting-changes-everything/

I sit here picking flakes of cereal off my sweater - yes, they are fresh and besides "Vee don't Vaste" has been on our family crest, right below "Honesty and Integrity" since my kids were infants.
To the point:
It has dawned on me that I am witnessing the logical end of the book, "If You Can Keep It". Well, guess what. We can't, and we won't. I'm 77 and I will probably miss most of it.

Trump was one Texas lawsuit away from losing. As ballot harvesting squeezed votes out of the unaware, the uncaring, and the intimidated, the republicans have no answer for it. Conservatives cannot do in a neighborhood what progressives can do in packed cities where there are no rules.
So the trend indicates to me it will accelerate, and that is great news for progressives. Centrists democrats will owe the progressives their fidelity because "you can't win without them". The few conservatives will be figureheads like in California.
I do not see any way out. Do you?
BTW: I do not expect any Republican, including Trump to win in 2024 due to "the machine". It is already bloc'ing half a billion in infrastructure in swing states.

 

What states have had their infrastructure funding blocked? Are they states that opposed the bill?

As for the rest, it sounds like making excuses for the loss before it has happened.

 

Reading the OP may change your mind. I was referring to ballot harvesting and poll buying NGO's funded by billionaires and oligarchs that don't like the USA the way it is structured. They are building out their operations now.

 

You've probably already heard of the Rassmusen poll finding about 1/5 of those polled admit to voter fraud.
As it is, mail in voting and harvesting must be stopped as it opens an election to coercion. Imagine you are in school, or living in public housing and someone with authority says, "Sign this ballot, sign this envelope, do not vote. We'll fill that part out." We are there.

 

I must say ‘mail in ballot” is 200 years old. We should move toward online voting . if I can transfer money, pay my bill, buy my food online, I should be able to vote with my smartphone.

 

When you can come up with a fool proof method to keep hackers from screwing with the election, let me known.

There is also the issue of eligible voters who don't care enough to put any effort into thinking about their "civic responsibility." There is a reason why people need to make the effort of register and prove that they are qualified to vote with important matters like, are they a United States citizen and do they live in the state or district where they are voting? Leaving dead people or people who have moved on the rolls opens the way for voter fraud. One of the big issues is cleaning up the voters rolls to fix these problems. Many states and localities don't do a good job at that.

I suppose the Democrats benefit from "low information voters" who have no knowledge about issues or the candidates, but I like to think that voters should make informed decisions.

I guarantee you that if the Republicans were winning elections via voter fraud, the progressives would be screaming bloody murder.

 

That is HIILARIOUS considering that the mass of "low information" voters are the ones currently backing Trump.

They have no idea about the charges he is facing, they have no clue of how he attempted to overturn the free and fair elections of 2020, they have no idea how bad his last administration was.

I guarantee you that the Democrats are not winning elections by "voter fraud"

 

This is classic progressive attitude. Everyone one who disagrees with them or does not support their programs is stupid and beyond redemption. Yep, I and all others who disagree with you are "deplorable." Right?

As for the election, I think Biden won in 2020, but I don't think that it was a "clean vote' in all states. Trump should have shut his mouth and prepared for 2024.

 

YOU'RE the one that started in with the insult of "low information" voters so you might want to look in the mirror.
I never used the word "deplorable"
I never said "beyond redemption" (although, to be honest, Trump supporters are EXTREMELY hard headed)

 

Sounds GOOD!
What's not to love?

 

“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election,” Attorney General William Barr

Bill Barr is no liberal lefty. Bill Barr is lifelong conservative, who has done enough investigation in 2020 election to know if there were widespread vote fraud or not. I will rest my case about voter fraud with his comment.

Do few people vote who shouldn’t, off course they do. But not even 0.5% voter fraud among billions and billion vote cast in past 40 years. Not enough to even change a mayoral election in decent size metropolitan city. Even Trump’s own task force to find voter fraud in 2017 ended after 6 month without finding any voter fraud.

Low information voters are on both side. If you didn’t have low informed voter in GOP, Trump wouldn’t be 35% ahead of Nikki in this primary.

Problem in Western Democracy is not that citizen commit voter fraud, problem in western democracy is that majority citizen who are eligible to vote don’t vote. We need to encourage and motivate these citizen to vote. Regardless they are informed voter or low-informed voter, we need to motivate them to participate in their civic duty. One of the way to motivate them is by making it easy to vote. In 2024 there is no reason to stand in line for 11 hours to vote.

Online voting/ Cyber security- I have been working in Cyber security / IT infrastructure field over 20 years. I am the first one to say there is no such thing "fool proof method to keep hackers from screwing with the election"”. There is always risk. Just like after this post I will walk to my local Starbucks to have a cup of coffee and there is no guarantee that I will come home alive. Nevertheless, I still will walk to the Starbucks.

You can’t prevent hacking/ changing vote remotely, it will happen. But what you can do is isolate those hacking to smaller area so it doesn’t impact the election result.

 

So it's okay for Trump to cast his vote by a mail in ballot but it isn't okay for others? He rails constantly against mail in ballots but uses them himself.

 

Rules for thee not for me

 

I suspect they know Trump is getting it just as I get mine. The problem is ballots mailed to "Last known address" with no assurance the addressee lives there.

 

Nope. He requested the ballot.

Despite his false claims about mail voting during the 2020 election cycle, Trump requested a mail ballot on Friday for the third time in his Palm Beach County voter history.

“Whether you call it Vote by Mail or Absentee Voting, in Florida the election system is Safe and Secure, Tried and True. Florida’s Voting system has been cleaned up (we defeated Democrats attempts at change), so in Florida I encourage all to request a Ballot & Vote by Mail!” Trump wrote.

 

There is nothing wrong with a verified voter getting a ballot mailed to them. Trump and I are verified legal voters.
What I am talking about is ballots mailed to "Last known address". The undeliverable mail is laying around in apartment and recycle bins.
In a ballot harvesting state, this is fatal to vote integrity.

 

My wife and I, who are over 70, have been getting mail-in ballots for awhile. We have to apply for them on a regular basis and have to sign over seal on the back of the envelope seal to show it we are the true voters.

 

" we did it Joe we "...... History's first mail order *president

 

Having ballots that have been filled out passed to an anonymous individual for delivery is a problem.

Those who can not move outside their residence must be able to mail their ballot or have some other way of delivering it.

I'd point out that this is not a new problem, as there always have been many individuals in this circumstance. Not everyone can go to a polling place.

I've voted in two states using vote by mail. In neither one is it possible for me to get more than one ballot.

I don't know what you mean by "poll buying".

 

In OR, WA and other vote by mail states, you get a ballot that is identified as yours.

Every ballot has a coded ID for the person to whom it was issued.

The voter must sign the ballot, and when it is processed, the voter's ballot signature is compared to the signature in the voter registration data base. If it doesn't match, the ballot doesn't get counted.

Obviously, duplicates don't count, so using a copy machine is pointless.

In WA, if my signature doesn't match I get notified so I can go down and fix the problem or declare it to be fraudulent. That happened to a friend once. He just did a bad job of signing.

I get notified when my ballot is counted.

The idea that vote by mail can't be made secure just isn't reasonable.



>>Also, let's remember that polling place voting is totally vulnerable to fraud of several kinds and is clearly not equally accessible to citizens.

 

when it was mostly Republicans voting by mail, the right had no issues with mail-in voting....

 

Trump voted by Mail

 

My signature had changed over the years. Someone came to my door and verified my identity. Since then my ballot has been accepted... At least it says so in the online location.
I think the problem was that other states rushed to mail in ballots because of covid and probably had not worked out the kinks and security of it properly. At least that's what I understood

 

Ask yourself why Democrats love mail in voting so much.
They're big fans of anything that makes it easier to commit fraud

 

republicans are just upset they can't make voters they do not want to vote wait hours and hours to vote anymore