How Mass Mail-In Voting Changes Everything

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  1. Reasonablerob

    Reasonablerob Well-Known Member

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    The problem is less mail in voting itself as the lack of standardisation. The US needs the same rules for every area and to enforce those rules rigidly rather than the current mess.
     
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    I too, have voted absentee forever. You and I are not the problem.
    Let me build my case with you starting with the link to the California Secretary of State:
    https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2022-general/sov/04-historical-voter-reg-general.pdf
    Attached is the last page:
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    California mails ballots to last known address. As you can see here in 2022, the difference between "eligible" and "voted" is about 50%. That means ~ 50%, of ballots mailed are not voted or otherwise accounted for in a ballot harvesting state. That means any ballots not returned to sender are lying around inviting electoral mischief. This is a chain of custody issue. Like junk mail. You can run "voter registration drives", but you need those ballots cast or your efforts are wasted.
    Proponents hang their hats on "Signatures are matched". No they are not. Signatures are randomly checked.
    SoS sends each voter a "opt out" postcard, so unless you miss two consecutive elections, that address gets a ballot unless you decline to vote. You can e mail them and say granny died, or not.
    You, me, and Granny are not the issue, it is the numerous 500 unit apartments, where ballots for people who have moved are collected in sacks and boxes for convenience. Where they go from there is up to the manager. Of course no one would ever think a sack of ballots would mysteriously vanish with a couple of hundred dollar bills in its place.
    Sec of State answered my inquiry with "You can be assured our election system is secure."
    Poll buying is a term used to refer to NGO partisan "charities" connecting to the poorer communities through assistance, gifts, and so on, and earning their trust. This trust is often repaid by sitting on the sofa with them and helping them fill out the ballot. You would be amazed at how many people can't vote without assistance. Young, old, illiterate, can't read or English, retarded, addicted, and many simply stone cold "unaware". I was in the election racket in 1968 - 70. Enough said.
     
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    That could well be true. I've heard that some states haven't done a reasonable job of keeping their registration database up to date, for example.
     
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    Remember that if you acquire a ballot and decide to be a criminal, you have to sign the ballot such that the signature matches the signature in the voter database for the person for whom the ballot was created.

    I agree with that SecState in that NO election should be assumed to be 100% secure.

    Today, the opportunities for cheating are FAR higher in polling place voting.

    Not everyone can go to a polling place. Polling places can be distributed in ways that are preferential to a segment of citizens. Equipment can be distributed in ways that are favorable - leaving long lines in some places, but with almost immediate service in others. Wage earners don't get time off, while those on a salary do. Polling places tend to be staffed by volunteers and/or those who don't know the law. Some places us ancient easily hacked machines which may not even give a printed record of how you voted. Etc., etc.
     
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    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Also, California does not voluntarily clean up voter rolls. They have to get sued by Juducial Watch usually.
    We don't have polling places in California - there are a few but no one seems to know much about them. It is all drop box or mail in. No more voting and getting a free beer at a bar with your receipt.
    No one that I know gets time off to vote (If anyone does, it's the state workers). Election Day is now election period. Election Day is Nov 5th, but you can mail your ballot the day you get it. And by then ballot harvesters have collected truckloads of "not at this address" to "return to the proper authorities". Lol.
     
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    Despite all the hyper-partisan sniveling, erecting barriers to voting does not enhance democracy.

    As Trump's own cybersecurity expert confirmed, 2020 was the most secure election in U.S. history. (In the 2020 election, 69% of voters nationwide cast their ballot nontraditionally — by mail and/or before Election Day. )

    Trump made numerous false claims of widespread fraud arising from postal voting, despite nearly-universal agreement to the contrary, with overwhelming amounts of supporting evidence, by the mainstream media, fact-checkers, election officials, and the courts.

    In presidential elections, the best-educated states (Massachusetts, Colorado, Maryland, Connecticut, etc.) will still cast their electoral college votes for the more progressive candidate, and the least-educated (West Virginia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky, etc.) for the most regressive, regardless of voting methodology.
     
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    Now that last paragraph is what I would really call “open minded.”

    I know I lost 25 points from my IQ when I moved from Massachusetts to Florida. I could feel the stupidity seeping into my brain as I drove further south. I could feel my arms growing. When got out of the car, I barely keep my knuckles from dragging on the ground.

    Seriously, when I was high school, in the 1960s, the southern colleges were rated as inferior to the northern schools. I believe the southern schools have closed the gap and that some northern schools have slipped.

    Harvard is no longer what it was. Wokeness and bigotry have become more widespread on that campus. When I was a student at the University of Delaware, you would have been in serious trouble if you were fought plagiarizing a paper. Now you get to be the president of what used to be the most prestigious university in the United States.
     
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    Of course, you don't like it, but it is apparent that you are unable to contest any of the data that I provided.
     
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    Your “data” is based on stereotypes and political wishful thinking. Despite what you were indoctrinated with in college, neither conservatives nor progressives have an edge in intellectual abilities. When I was in my 20s I thought that progressive politics was a sigh on intelligence. As was once said, “Don’t trust anyone over 30.” That’s when I started to change parties.
     
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    One day, you'll be able to line item vote from your home. People will be like those hamsters pressing a button over and over again as it stimulates the pleasure part of their brain. All day long, clicking yes votes as fast as possible hoping to get free stuff. Type of thing that destroys self governing polities.
     
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    False.

    Objective data confirms the 2020 presidential election results as certified by all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

    Fake claims of fraudulent voting have all been investigated, and no challenges are pending in any legal or legislative venue.

    If you can cite a legitimate source to the contrary, do so.

    Your personal prejudices are noted.

    If ypu can cite any credible survey that rates West Virginia, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Kentucky as among the most educated states, and Massachusetts, Colorado, Maryland, and Connecticut as among the least educated, do so.
     
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  12. JohnHamilton

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    Yes, duly noted. If you don’t have a college degree, you are second rate and not very bright, in your opinion. Maybe after you have lived a few more decades, you will learn that is an elitist and false conclusion.
     
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    If that is your opinion, so be it. It is unfortunate.

    Obviously, I have never expressed any such judgment, nor would I.

    I merely note the objective reality, regardless of its implications. (E.g., 1. Trump lost the 2020 election, and lies about it, and 2. The best-educated states and the least-educated vote dissimilarly.)

    I expect that I shall continue to acknowledge objective data. I try to avoid allowing prejudice to compromise my respect for empirical certitude.

    (I do prefer knowledge to ignorance in matters such as politicians with no medical expertise dictating medicine to qualified physicians.)
     
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    Actually.....
    if Ms. Julie Green is tapping in to a good source of information........
    a massive positive shift is coming soon???!!!!!!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/julie-green-ministries.602189/page-2#post-1074579064



     
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