How to ban guns without firing a single shot...

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  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    haven't seen any of them yet. I know the Imbel FN FALs made down in Brazil were really good-I have one.
     
  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Skills? Uhmmm... do you know what the Darien Gap IS? Do you even know what we're discussing?

    Another right winger who did not receive proper Geography lessons in School.

    You asked...
     
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    I believe the first to drive the gap did it in 1960.

    I’m not right wing. As a socialist I’m considered left wing.

    Yes I’m aware of the gap. Why do you think I asked you about pioneers and Oregon? Why do you think I challenged you on the issue. Because I know you are wrong on two levels. Well three really.

    Yes. Skills. It’s quite likely if I wished to drive the gap I could. You are unaware it’s possible so it’s likely you haven’t the skills.

    Why is driving the gap important anyway? They are running guns across the gap now. You aren’t aware of the arms trafficking across the gap?

    Oh dear. You have SO much to learn. And so little desire to know the truth. Sad.
     
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  4. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    NOT to import firearms from Brazil to Central America. Which is what we were discussing. I ALERTED you that you needed to find out what we were discussing. That was fair warning so you wouldn't make a fool of yourself. Too late now!

    Because you refuse to pay attention to my sig.
     
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    557 Well-Known Member

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    I’ve read your silly posts. They are equivalent to saying you can’t drive from New York to Connecticut.

    If someone WANTED to drive guns from South America to Central America they could. You claimed you CANNOT drive from South America (Brazil is in South America) to Central America. This is false.

    Your sig is silly as well. If you had done ANY research you would know guns are already being trafficked from South America to Centeral America across the gap. Your premise was false in two ways. Because you CAN drive from South America to Central America and because arms trafficking is already occurring in a manner you claimed isn’t happening.
     
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    557 Well-Known Member

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    It’s interesting to note that changes in policy started under the Obama administration and culminating in 2020 have resulted in increased movement of arms from the US to Central America.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    If you READ my "silly posts" you would have known they are equivalent to saying that it's not as PRACTICAL to import firearms from Brazil the ways the poster proposed (by driving or by sea) as it is to import them from the U.S. (by driving or by sea)

    So next time make sure you DO read my silly posts before making silly unrelated comments. Silliness is one thing. But being clueless is really really bad.

    BTW, I DO agree the whole conversation was silly. I shouldn't have even responded to the silly argument. Just couldn't resist pointing how basic geography is yet another failure on the right.
     
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    You don’t even realize how simple it is to ferry around the gap with a car? Again, your argument is equivalent of saying you can’t drive from New York to Connecticut because there is an option of a ferry for convenience.

    And what is silly is you even bringing up the hypotheticals of driving or trafficking by sea at all. Because the arms trafficking is already happening across the gap from South America to Central America. Your whole premise is false……again.

    Perhaps someday you will actually learn something about a subject before making verifiably false claims about the subject. I’m not betting on it though. Thanks for demonstrating anti gunners know nothing about the subjects they pontificate on. It’s amusing and gratifying to see ya’ll be so consistently wrong about it all. :)
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    NOT simple enough to make importing firearms from Brazil more practical than importing them from the U.S!!

    Are you not paying attention even AFTER I had to explain to you what it was the discussion was about?
     
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    do you know where most of the automatic weapons central and Latin American gangs come from?
     
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    I know what the discussion was about. That’s why it was obvious you made false claims based on false premises.

    Guatemala imports $2.4 million worth of handguns from Brazil annually. How do they get to Guatemala? And why, if it’s cheaper and easier to get guns from the US?
     
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    https://www.businessinsider.com/mexican-cartels-getting-more-weapons-from-new-source-2022-2

    Mexican criminal groups have long been associated with foreign-made weapons like the AK-47 and M16, but, according to El Güero, it is now more common for sicarios, or hitmen, to use the Galil ACE, an Israeli rifle that is manufactured in Colombia. The Galil ACE is an official weapon for Mexican and Colombian law enforcement.

    The AK47s are mainly Eastern European or Chinese btw
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Of course! But I'm not talking about imports by the government to supply their military.
     
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    The Brady Campaign tells me that there are 43,000 U.S. gun deaths per year. Another quick Google tells me that there are 433.9 million guns in circulation in the U.S. The trick is to find which of the 433.9 million guns caused the 43,000 gun deaths.
     
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    two thirds or so of those gun deaths are suicides. Of the felonious homicides-about 80% are caused by people already banned from owning firearms. Legally owned firearms used in murder-not many. maybe 3000 max out of 400+ million guns. statistically insignificant
     
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    The military in Guatemala does not use any models of handguns from Brazil. LOL.


    In Ecuador they have amnesty periods to register previously illegal guns. On registries now, guns made by Taurus in Brazil account for two times as many as the closest US competitor (Smith and Wesson). How in the heck did they get to Ecuador with that massive impenetrable gap on the Panamanian border?
     
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    What an interesting statistic.

    Let's consider this a moment- If 43 thousand "gun deaths" were associated with 430 million guns, that means that would be one "gun death" for every 10,000 guns in circulation.

    Now, consider that the solution the leftist/communists propose to eliminate one "gun death" (whatever in hell a gun death might actually be) is to steal the posessions of 99,999 law abiding gun owners. Did you catch that? The gun grabbers think that if they commit theft 10,000 times it might save one guy from one manner of death.


    ....what a bunch of loons.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    And then do what? Outlaw those types of guns? Doesn't sound like a smart idea.
     
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    Bless your heart.
     
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    If there are 433.9 million guns in circulation, why are there not 433.9 million gun deaths? That's not a rhetorical question. Why not?
     
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    It's just like you were saying Chickpea- one hundredth of one percent of firearms are associated with "gun deaths".

    The solution is to take the human owners away from the possession of 0.01% of the guns in circulation. One way to do this is to put the all guns into concentration camps.
     
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    I'd like one of the "we need to reduce the number of guns" folks to explain why, if there are 433.9 million guns in circulation, then why are there 43,000 gun deaths and not 433.9 million gun deaths. I'd like to hear them answer that.

    But I can guarantee that they never will.
     
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    Obviously it's not a rhetorical question. It's just a DUMB question. I do not answer dumb questions unless I can think of a funny way to ridicule them. I don't feel inspired for comedy right now, but you can keep trying and maybe I'll come up with something. If you don't see an answer it's just that you caught me on a bad "sarcasm-day"
     
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    It is not a "DUMB" question. It makes a good point. There are 433,900,000 guns. If guns are the problem, why aren't their more gun deaths?

    The answer is very simple. It is not the guns. It is people pure and simple and you wish to deprive the vast majority of people because of the sins of a very few. I know of no other problem which is treated this way.
     
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    Except that there is a substantial price differential between US guns and guns from anywhere else. Often more than 500 dollars. Sorry but ask your self a question. You are a gun runner do you buy one AR15 for 1200 dollars in the US and sell it for 1500 dollars to the cartels, or take the same 1200 dollars and buy 100 AK's somewhere in africa or south America get a couple of RPGs thrown in and sell the whole lot for 20k.
     
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