How to reconcile the statement of Jesus that He is Son of God & He and Father are the

How to reconcile the statement of Jesus that He is Son of God & He and Father are the same

Matter is the condensed form of energy and hence, the energy can be treated as Father and matter as son. The Father of heaven is the energetic form charged by the unimaginable God. Jesus is the materialized matter-form charged by the same unimaginable God. From the point of view of medium, He told that He is the son of God and from the point of view of internal unimaginable God He told that He and His Father are one and the same.

The human incarnation (God in human form who comes to this world and present now) is a single phase of two components, which are God and soul. It is an alloy of Gold and copper. If a trace of Gold is mixed in copper, still it is alloy but it looks like copper only. Similarly, the human incarnation looks like an ordinary human being in which the invisible – unimaginable God is alloyed. This type of combination makes the medium always exhibited with its properties like birth, death, hunger etc. If the properties of the medium are suppressed and the properties of God are exhibited, people get excited and cannot clarify their doubts with the human incarnation. This is the merit of this concept but defect is that people generally neglect the human incarnation based on this very same point.

But, the merit is more important because the primary purpose of human incarnation is to clarify the doubts of the devotees. Arjuna questioned Krishna in several ways and got the points clarified freely because Krishna was in human form. If Krishna started explaining the Bhagavad Gita through energetic form (Vishwarupam), Arjuna could not have asked even one question due to extensive excitement. The God component in the human incarnation speaks that He is God. But, people see the human incarnation as human being only. Then there are two ways of the reaction of the human beings. Either they say that the human incarnation is only a human being and not God or they say that every human being is God. The first way is offensive and the second way is defensive. In the first way, people crucified Jesus. The offensive way is also mentioned in the Gita (Avajaananti maam…). Mohammad refused this concept of human incarnation since the people were continuing in the offensive nature only.

The defensive way was taken by Shankara. In His time, people were also atheists with ego and jealousy. He subsided their reaction by taking the defensive way. You can understand the human incarnation only by recognizing the two components. Whenever Jesus told that He is truth and light, it is the God component that spoke those words. Whenever Jesus told ‘Let Thy will be done.’, ‘Why did You leave Me?’ etc., it is the soul the component that spoke these words. The two components were clearly demonstrated by Krishna. Bhagavad Gita was told by God component. After the war, when Arjuna asked to repeat the same, the soul component spoke Anu Gita, which was only an exposition of a scholar. The Bhagavad Gita was told by God component and Anu Gita was told by soul component.

Whenever God speaks, the soul in the human incarnation is forced to be dumb. Sometimes, even the soul in the human incarnation may claim that it is God and in such case, it will be insulted and punished. This happened in the case of Parashurama, who thought that he killed all the kings. He was insulted and punished by Rama. When this is the case of the soul present in the human incarnation, what about the case of souls present in the human beings? Such souls will be punished in the hell for reformation. Sometimes the soul in the human incarnation may keep silent when he is praised as God by the devotees. The silence is forced on the soul by the God. If the soul reveals the truth, the devotees may be deeply hurt and pained. They prayed God to see Him and to speak with Him. Therefore, the secrecy of technique of the human incarnation should be maintained by the soul. However, such silence should not mislead the soul to think that it is really God or is transformed in to God really. In the alloy, the atoms of Gold remain as Gold and the atoms of copper remain as copper. Neither Gold became copper nor vice-versa.

You should limit the example within some boundaries and you should not analyze the example deeply. Infact, the Gold and copper are inter-convertible by artificial transmutation and this point should not be brought here to spoil the concept. If you take like that with extensive analysis, there can be no simile to God. All the items in the creation are imaginable and cannot be compared to unimaginable God. Therefore, you should not cross the limits of the simile in understanding the concept about God. The science is blessed to the human beings by God to understand the spiritual knowledge in deeper real sense. But, the human beings diverted the science to create more facilities. Infact, God has created all the facilities based on balance of nature leading to perfect health. All the inventions of science for the extra facilities proved to be harmful by the environmental science, which clearly proves that these inventions are not the intentions of God to bless the human beings with advanced scientific knowledge.

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elements are energy (light) affixed in time.

elements- the corporeal
energy (light) - the spirit
time- the transcendent

There is no measurement of either, without the others (all cases)

The collective of all three, is nature itself (god).

"we' are all of 'god' (nature itself).

It's spirit is 'light' (the energy between all points, every time)

datswami is just learning these truths and is evolving with what he is learning.

Nothing divine of any single individual over another. Divinity is not a good word to use to define, any human being. For example: A dog would be closer to divinity, than any person, purely because the dog lives on instinct, which is natural versus of ANY EGO (selfishness). The dog aint choosing, people do.

 

God is beyond the spatial co-ordinates

The entire creation is constituted by the spatial co-ordinates. Hence, beyond creation means beyond space and this means finally beyond spatial co-ordinates. The intelligence can never cross the spatial co-ordinates and hence can never touch the boundary of this creation from which God starts.

The soul, mind, intelligence, ideas and imagination are made of nervous energy only, which is a special work form of inert energy. The human body is made of inert energy and matter. Matter is a form of inert energy. Even the space is a form of very subtle inert energy only. All this creation including the human beings is basically inert energy only. The soul is a part of this creation and therefore the creation is as true as the soul. All this creation including the souls is relative reality and God alone is the absolute reality. From the point of God, the creation is not real.

But from the point of the soul the creation is equally real. Since God is the absolute reality and soul is the relative reality, neither God is soul nor soul is God. If you say that the creation is real, it contradicts the view of God. If you say that creation is unreal, it contradicts the view of the soul. It is just like the issue of Telangana in Andhra Pradesh. If you support United State, people in Telangana oppose. If you support separate Telangana, people in the other part of the state oppose. Hence, Shankakra told that creation is neither real nor unreal and is Mithya. When a human being becomes God, the creation becomes unreal for that specific human incarnation. Here also, neither God becomes the soul and human body nor the soul and human body become God. Just like a metallic wire can be treated as current on charging with electricity, the human being charged by God is treated as God and hence we say that the human being becomes God.

 

what coordinate does time occupy, if both the beginning and ending are his (time)?

a bunch of word salad is what you are presenting.

There is nothing outside of space and time. No such thing exist, except to a belief (manmade creation). Basically as soon as someone claims that 'other' is outside of nature (everything/god), then that is the que to see that a false witness of truth is being levied. (that a lie is being held)

the life (soul) of any living, is the light. Mind consist of the memories affixed upon the body, that our soul (light) exists upon.

The soul is the light of every life and is only individual, when conscious.

the innert aspect of energy is that a light resonance, is what causes the motion to all mass (all cases)

Once started a life, intends to continue (that innert aspect)

matter (the elements) are just energy affixed in time. Fission - fusion proves it

no such thing as space without mass/energy/time

There is no such thing as a perfect vacuum, anywhere between points in time (postulate/fact)

word salad

I hate it when people try to claim that mankind (nature) aint real. What is real is what is true.

'we say'......................... shut up as most of what YOU have said on this post/thread, is garbage.

You aint a we when you try to claim what 'we' think. You speak for you and so far, are dividing from 'god' (nature itself).