How to stop gun crimes.

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by onalandline, Oct 27, 2015.

  1. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A sensible video response to Obama's Chicago speech concerning gun violence.

    [video=youtube;YA4_a4_ckMM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA4_a4_ckMM[/video]
     
  2. Micketto

    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    Too much common sense.

    They'll attack the messenger, and ignore the message.

    Just watch....
     
  3. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I just wish that all gun owners were members of the NRA.
     
  4. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    Me too, if that was the case, the Democrats would be calling Wayne LaPierre and asking his permission as to which laws to try to pass.
     
  5. Bean1980

    Bean1980 New Member

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    This was the most common sense and realistic problem solving I have heard from either side.Your right though they will try and find a way to twist it around and say that won't help.They don't like it when the blame is put where it belongs,because it doesn't make the legal gun owners look like murders and they can't have that.
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    fully fund and staff the ATF.

    oh wait, the NRA opposes that.

    pass common-sense gun laws.

    oh wait, the NRA opposes that.
     
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    Xenamnes Banned

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    Because the ATF has a long and documented history of corrupt, illegal practices, and operating outside of the bounds of federal law. For what reason should they continue receiving funding?

    Anytime the proposal is to prohibit the private ownership of something, in an effort to try and make it more difficult for criminals to have access to it, there is no common sense to be had. You may as well be discussing proposals to stop individuals from becoming parents in an effort to stop the sexual trafficking and exploitation of minors.
     
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    The NRA opposes ignorance, and smart people know there is no such thing as "common sense gun laws." Any laws currently on the books are in violation of the Second Amendment clause "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." Put that in your pipe and smoke it, comrade.
     
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    RedDirtWalker Well-Known Member

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    I tried asking that in another thread and no one showed up...

     
  10. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From our friends at the NRA. What a shocker.

    Wayne Robert LaPierre, Jr. (born November 8, 1948) is an American author and gun rights advocate. He is best known for his position as the executive vice president of the National Rifle Association and for his criticism of gun control policies.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_LaPierre
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    most of the gun restrictionists on this board and others are more motivated by their hatred of the NRA (mainly due to the NRA's support of conservative candidates) than an honest desire to control criminals.
     
  12. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't think they're just a tad biased? 'Course not.
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    I don't see any real argument against what W L was saying in that. every time someone is DENIED a legal firearm purchase at a gun dealer they have COMMITTED FEDERAL PERJURY on the 4473 form that they SWEAR is accurate. IF YOU admit you cannot own a gun because say you are a felon or under indictment, the BGC is not even conducted. so when someone has a BGC done on them its because they have SWORN on the 4473 that they can legally own a gun

    YET less than one tenth of one percent of those who lie on those forms are even charged, let alone convicted
     
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    stepped_in_it Banned at Members Request

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    Ok, Ron, What "common-sense gun laws" would STOP these killings on the streets of urban decay?

    Here's your chance to lay it out, but, I know you'll attack me (or someone else) or deflect or just plain ignore.....
     
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    Micketto New Member Past Donor

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    What's sad is that common sense gun laws that are in place and not being enforced by this administration are considered "biased".

    Like I said.... they'll attack the messenger and ignore the message.

    Thx
     
  16. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How come?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Why isn't, or why wouldn't, the administration enforce gun laws in place? Do you have statistical evidence of your claim?
     
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    According to Joe Biden, they lack the resources to go after these offenders. Our government has no interest in making it a priority.

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/18/b...rosecute-people-who-lie-on-background-checks/

    "During the National Rifle Association’s meeting with Vice President Joe Biden and the White House gun violence task force, the vice president said the Obama administration does not have the time to fully enforce existing gun laws."
     
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    Apparently they have the time to try and make new ones though and push through free sex changes.
     
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    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is according the the NRA guy. Do you have anything from a reliable source?

    Are you willing to support higher taxes to expand cops and the justice department to prosecute those cases?
     
  20. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The BATFE is doing its job. It would have been easier, and resources would not have been wasted if the Obama Admin did not have a gun running scheme in the past. Also, there are plenty of "common-sense" gun laws on the books already. They just need to be enforced.

    It is "common-sense" that murder is already against the law, felons possessing firearms is already against the law, and committing a crime with a firearm is already against the law.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course he is with the NRA. This fact is very clear to anyone watching the video. What's the problem? He tells the truth.
     
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    There is no common sense in the laws you want to pass.
     
  23. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We don't need new taxes to do this. We need to redirect funds from the freebies, and actually enforce our laws, and prosecute law breakers.
     
  24. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see. You're answer to the gun violence madness is a massive buildup of government sponsored psychological investigation and care.

    But you're unwilling to pay for it.

    Now we know why the NRA proposal is a farce.
     
  25. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

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    You want proof? You mean like when he was on national TV when he said this?
    I don't believe a tax increase would be necessary, many of our tax dollars are mis allocated. I think we can find the money withing the existing tax framework. It's all about how serious our government is about pursuing these criminals.
     

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