Swedish government absolutely adores IS. I wish I was making stuff up now, but I am not; Swedish PM, Stefan Löfvén and former PM Mona Sahlin have both said that "neo-Swedes" who join ISIL to then return to Sweden should be sent to therapy, given welfare, housing and a job. The reason is because these individuals "have traumatic memories". Even worse was this Green Party MP who said that it is racist to stigmatize Swedes who join IS because "nobody said a thing when Swedes voluntarily joined the Finnish army to fight the communist:" It is indeed our governments who are to blame for both what is happening in MENA and for what is happening at our home ground. First of all, many heads have to roll. After that we should completely open our borders. Then, once everyone is in here, we all move to Syria.
I do not count that as a "Cold War Movie" however, since it came out in 2003. Should be obvious it is very high in my list as well. The Government opposes it, and some of the people support it. Might as well say that the US supports the KKK, since some of it's citizens obviously do. Or the US supports Communism, or any other radical platform. Are you even aware of what the concept of "Total War" is? Because at this point, nobody (not even Syria) is at that point in trying to fight ISIS. Doing things like destroying the local infrastructure hurts the locals far more then it hurts ISIS. Such atctions may be needed, but only if we are willing to go in with hundreds of thousands of boots on the ground and eliminate them once and for all. Until we are willing to commit to Total War, this is simply not gonna happen, nor will it help.
Until their holy book, the Qur'an is recgnized for what it is, the text of which taken in it's purest form advocates violence; nothing will change. ISIS are Salafists and take a fundamentalist approach to Islam. They are not doing anything outside of the framework of their Qur'an. The Qur'an is the problem, this is not a religion based upon love for our fellow man. The non-believer is regarded as waging war against God..there is no middle ground, no turning the other cheek, no tolerance for outsiders who reject a fundamentalist interpretationi of the Islamic Holy Book. It is us....against them...to the literal death. Period. Until we profile as such...nothing will change.
Herkdriver; et al, Yes, of course --- there is little doubt that most people associate Salafist, with violence [Jihadism (the Struggle for, or striving to attain)]. While there are specific Clerics that will tell you that "Jihad" does not mean "Holy War;" it is actually dependent on what the Jihadist is struggling for or striving to attain. If the Jihadist is calling for Muslims to return to the original teachings outlined in the Koran --- and the --- practices of the Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) as understood by the earliest Companions of the Prophet --- THEN, its religious fundamentalism. If on the other hand, the Jihadist is attempting to establish a Fundamentalist Islamic State, this is slightly different. Most Salafist reject the political ideology of other Islamic related groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and shun politics and thus Islamism in favor of a focus on personal morality and individual piety. The Salafist suggest that an Islamic state cannot properly be achieved and exist if Muslims do not returning to the fundemental tenets of the "true" Islam (however that is interpreted). While there is a need to genuinely understand that the teachings of the Koran are not violent in nature; it is the interpretations of certain passages that are misunderstood and create the wrong impression. This is what makes the knowledgeable cleric so important. One very key challenge of any successful counterterrorist (CT) program, relative to Islamic violence, is to harness the Muslim Clerics to become vocal and unambiguously opposed to terrorism and violence. While there are other more aggressive intelligence, countermeasure and enforcement efforts that CT assets will have to pursue in order to detect, exploit and neutralize the threat posed by radicalized Islamic followers, the threat will never true abate if there are still violent and hostile Islamic fundamentalist spreading and recruit the discontent. As laid out in the US National Strategy, to win the War on Terror, the concept will: Advance effective democracies as the long-term antidote to the ideology of terrorism; Prevent attacks by terrorist networks; Deny weapons of mass destruction to rogue states and terrorist allies who seek to use them; Deny terrorists the support and sanctuary of rogue states; Deny terrorists control of any nation they would use as a base and launching pad for terror; and Lay the foundations and build the institutions and structures we need to carry the fight forward against terror and help ensure our ultimate success. Most nations that have an ongoing threat from one or more various radicalized Islamic Jihadist organizations, will have very similar objectives. Additionally, there should be a coordinated program to very aggressively pursue the Global Counter-Terrorism Strategy that was adopted by Member States on 8 September 2006; as well as the two dozen other Security Council directives on counterterrorism. (COMMENT) There are serious groups with specific agenda that have insisted that they have an inherent right to pursue "any and all means" (including terrorism) to achieve their objects. One example of this is the Senior Hamas Official: The Resistance Is Entitled To Attack Israel's Embassies, Interests, And Officials Worldwide And The Interests Of Its Allies, Headed By The U.S. MEMRI These types of leaders need to be silenced in favor of mitigating the world of Islamic militancy. Most Respectfully, R
Welcome back RoccoR, missed your enlightened posts. And this is pretty much how I believe. Like most Christians and Jews, most Muslims are peaceful individuals who simply want to live their lives as best they can, and hate nobody. But there are agitators who do want to "see the world burn" if it brings them their vision of what paradise will be. Every "Holy Book" can be interpreted differently, depending on who is doing the reading. In all 3 (Koran, Torah, New Testament) you have passages of peace and welcoming all in brotherhood. You also have passages that proclaim war upon all those that do not believe in the same way. Jews have done that in the past, as have Christians. Heck, depending upon how you interpret the Bible, anybody who kneels to drink water can not be a Warrior for God. Only those who crouch and use their hand to bring water to their mouth and then lap it like a dog are worthy. Do not believe me? Why, it's in the Bible. So it must be true. Of course such a claim is silly, even if it is true. But it is based only upon taking a single passage, and ignoring everything else that was written. That is always a failure, you have to consider everything, not just select passages. And if anybody thought I was kidding, read Judges. Judges 7:5-7
Well there are the Kurds. We should Officially recognize them. Not caring what the Europeans say nor Turkey. Move our Embassy out of Iraq into their Land. Conduct business from there.
Still they would be another ally in the ME. One where we do have some certainty with. Even Organized Crime Syndicates.....should be about taking Daesh out. Setting them up and taking away their ability to do any business. Anywhere.
MMC, et al, Well the, there is a US Consulate in Erbil (governorate), Iraq; the Capital of Iraqi Kurdistan. (COMMENT) I'm not completely sure that Turkey will ever grant autonomy to the Kurds of southern Turkey, as in the 1920 Treaty of Sevres. But, there are many Political personalities in Turkey that would support the self-determination of the northern region where the Iraqi Kurds might become independent some day. However, I don't suspect that the Baghdad government is yet willing to give-up the Kirkuk Oil Fields. The succession of the Northern Kurdish Region just might cause a confined civil war it those Oil Files are in jeopardy.. Most Respectfully, R
Oh I am sure Turkey would be against it. But what can they do with US military bases there and helping the Kurds with security. Not much. With the Shia of Iraq. Same deal.....what can they do about it. Call for Iran?
WKRG News video - Condoleezza Rice on Fighting Isis "France wasted no time fighting back against Isis, dropping 20 bombs on the terrorists’ headquarters in Syria. “Many of them are European passport holders. A few hold American passports”, said Former Secretary of State, Condoleezza Rice, in Birmingham Monday. She said more needs to be done against Isis, especially from The United States, “We have to step up our military activities…They don’t hide in caves like Al-Qaida. If CBS News can find them, the American military can find them. We have to get very serious about destroying them in their homeland.” Rice says she’s a great defender of civil liberties, but, “We also need to recognize that we need our governments to be able to conduct surveillance against terrorist targets. You don’t want to wait until something happens to catch or kill a terrorist”. As far as Syrian refugees, she says a safe haven for innocent Syrians needs to be created in and around Turkey and Jordan." Another news report and more quotes in Rice for President Yahoo Group message 2290 Condista fan video Condoleezza Rice for NATO. One for all and all for France. [video=youtube;AELt1gruyPc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AELt1gruyPc[/video]
Our strategies of trying to militarily defeat ISIS terrorists are creating more new enemies while reinforcing the narrative of our opponents. Suspending civil liberties, presumption of guilt until proven innocent, civilian casualties in invasions, drone strikes, and bombing campaigns, imprisonment without trial, and torture are making relatives and survivors angry. Instead of becoming more afraid of us than we are off them they become radicalized, and would die for a chance to avenge the death, or torture, of false imprisonment without trial of a loved one. ISIS, who had been trying to convince all Muslims that the West is entirely intolerant of Islam in every shape and form, and has in fact launched an unrelated war on Islam, hands credibility and support with every military strategy the West uses in a zip-called War on Terrorism. It has been entirely counter productive.
Pretty much agree with everything you've said here. Can't criticize the Saudis though. They've got the oil, and control the oil prices. That means they can behead people, deny women rights, militarily defeat non-violent Arab Springs at home and abroad, just as long as they keep buying arms and keep the pull following. The money, and some of the people too come from there.
The U.S. is the worlds largest producer of Oil, Coal and Natural Gas. There is more Oil in the United States than in all other nations put together as the U.S. holds over 6.1 Trillion Barrels of oil and that is the LOW ESTIMATE as the HIGH estimate is 17.3 Trillion. AboveAlpha
I would find out who the terrorists are and kill their families as they have no problem dying and i would carpet bomb the main ISIS centers with 0 regard for civilian casualties. Civilians can form an uprising if they want it to stop. I would also withdraw from the Geneva convention if that was needed. War must be the last recourse but it must be terrible. There should be no question of "human rights" in war. It must be so abhorrent that people who choose to go that route think a hundred times before going there, but it also must be quick. It must last for years at the most then normalcy must return. I would argue that the bleeding hearts that insist the US must fight with two arms and half a leg tied behind its back are the ones causing this conflict to last for generations on end. Without all the moral restrictions arbitrarily given to us we could have ended the conflict already. Instead we are stuck in quagmire. One side has declared total war while the other is in a lukewarm facsimile of it. Sanitizing war by begging for the major powers to only use a fraction of the power available to them may in fact be encouraging more wars to start. Think back on WW2. Is it more cruel to drop 2 atom bombs or invade the japanese islands potentially taking years and wiping out the native population?
How to fight ISIS? Simple: non-interventionism. This will allow another Assad or Saddam to emerge and they will deal with it in their own way.
Saddam and Assad were the USA's two best friends in that part of the world as they were the ones who suppressed radical Islam. Too bad right wingers till refuse to learn that TRUTH and continually insist that more war by the West is the only solution when it is not. - - - Updated - - - http://www.dw.com/en/european-migration-nears-1-million-mark-iom-says/a-18927549 European migration nears 1 million mark, IOM says More than 990,000 migrants have entered Europe and the number is expected to reach 1 million in the coming days, the International Organization for Migration has said. EU's Frontex border agency is beefing up its forces. This was NOT a problem when Saddam and Assad ruled without Western war upon their lands.
They weren't the Best Friends of the US.....although it was the Democrats running around and calling Assad the Reformer. Right before the Syrian MB helped get those protests going.
They thank BO peep even more.....for strengthening them. Helping them to expand and for increasing their numbers.
BO peep getting 40 Billion for the War on Daesh.....changed all of that. Now there is a New Mission. BO knows it is Impossible for him to take on, (its beyond his capabilities) so he leaving it to another to handle.
