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Human Flourishing Requires More Fossil Fuel Use, Not Less

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by Jack Hays, Jun 24, 2022.

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  1. Sunsettommy

    Sunsettommy Well-Known Member

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    This is what you get when they lost the science argument long ago, it is now just a litany of insults accusations and smears it is clear they have run out of excuses for their failure to generate a cogent argument.
     
    Sunsettommy, Nov 18, 2023
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  2. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that Epstein is absolutely correct........

    especially when it comes to using natural gas to fuel mega-scale desalination of sea water to turn deserts green.........

    so that a similar amount of sea water can be desalinated and fresh water added to the water table as is cracking and sliding and melting off the Greenland Ice Pack and the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and off the world's glaciers........
    .......




    and.....


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...evel-have-been-stable.614762/#post-1074519997



     
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  3. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I do think that the Israeli solar desalination technology that was donated to Norway......
    so that Norwegian scientists, diplomats and business people could share that tech with the Islamic world has a lot of potential......

    ......
    https://www.saharaforestproject.com
     
    DennisTate, Nov 18, 2023
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  4. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Climate DENIALISM duly noted above.

    A little HISTORY lesson might be in ORDER.

    In the early 1980's SCIENTISTS discovered a HOLE in the OZONE layer.

    https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/w...ut in the early 1980s,known as the ozone hole.

    Humanity was the PRIMARY cause of the DEPLETION of Ozone that is ESSENTIAL for LIFE here on our planet.

    SANE and rational people LISTENED to the SCIENTISTS and took ACTION to STOP the HARM to our environment.

    Once that ACTION went into EFFECT the problem was MITIGATED and will eventually RECOVER.

    This SIMPLE lesson seems to be BEYOND the grasp of the Climate DENIERS thereby DOOMING the rest of us to have to face the CONSEQUENCES of the DENIALISM of factually documented REALITY.
     
    Derideo_Te, Nov 19, 2023
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  5. Pieces of Malarkey

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    Which has no relation to the physics denialism you advocate.
     
    Pieces of Malarkey, Nov 19, 2023
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  6. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    The nuttiness continues.
    At The New York Krazy Klimate Konference
    November 18, 2023/ Francis Menton
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    • On Thursday (November 16) a publication called City & State (specializing in covering New York state and local government) put on a conference they called the “2023 Clean Energy in New York Summit: New York’s Path to Sustainability.” Let’s call this the New York Krazy Klimate Konference.

    • I showed up to observe and report on the festivities, along with another prominent skeptic, Roger Caiazza of the Pragmatic Environmentalist of New York blog.

    • The Krazy Klimate Konference featured a gaggle of high-ranking New York bureaucrats and legislators, there to report on New York’s exciting progress toward Net Zero nirvana; plus an even larger gaggle of grifters and parasites looking to cash in on the big piles of government loot sure to get passed out along the way.
    READ MORE
     
    Jack Hays, Nov 19, 2023
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  7. Sunsettommy

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    The misnamed "hole" still exists because of the Polar winter which was first observed back in the late 1950's Dobson who measured it and postulated since the 1920's.

    Your continual insults cover your lack of any science-based argument which doesn't impress anyone.
     
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    Sunsettommy, Nov 19, 2023
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    Substitution of inane and false name-calling for fact and logic duly noted above.

    I think I may be seeing a pattern, here...
    Are you suddenly going to develop a willingness to know historical facts like the Medieval Warm Period and Holocene Optimum instead of contriving fallacious rationalizations for rejecting them? That would be refreshing.
    And whipped up hysteria over what was a mostly natural variation.

    I think I am starting to detect a pattern here...
    And yet the "ozone hole" has continued to show large variability despite decades of prohibition of the chemicals alleged to cause it...
    No, a bunch of naive politicians were stampeded by scaremongers into enacting costly policies that probably had minimal effect.

    Again, I am seeing a pattern...
    Except that this year's "ozone hole" is back up to the biggest in decades....
    Your use of the terms, "denier" and "denialism" proves you are engaged in disingenuous propaganda, not reasoned scientific or public policy discussion.

    The factually documented REALITY is that climate has always changed, and there is no credible empirical evidence -- none -- that human CO2 emissions have any significant effect on it.
     
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    bringiton, Nov 19, 2023
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    After politically shutting down pipeline and exploration projects that would have kept prices low without releasing the emergency reserve...
     
    bringiton, Nov 19, 2023
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    Non sequitur duly noted.
     
    Derideo_Te, Nov 20, 2023
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    Climate DENIALISM duly noted.
     
    Derideo_Te, Nov 20, 2023
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    I repeat:

    Your use of the terms, "denier" and "denialism" proves you are engaged in disingenuous propaganda, not reasoned scientific or public policy discussion.

    The factually documented REALITY is that climate has always changed, and there is no credible empirical evidence -- none -- that human CO2 emissions have any significant effect on it.

    You obviously have no facts, logic, or rational argument to offer, just name calling and false claims of "consensus."

    But thanks for playing.
     
    bringiton, Nov 20, 2023
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    He clearly has no argument to post as he completely ignored post 157 and repeats insults as his replies, duly noted.
     
    Sunsettommy, Nov 20, 2023
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    PROJECTION duly noted.

    Have a nice day.
     
    Derideo_Te, Nov 21, 2023
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  15. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Jack Hays, Nov 21, 2023
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    Another nomination for Unconscious Self-Reference of the Month!
     
    bringiton, Nov 21, 2023
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    Self-Diagnosis projection duly noted.
     
    Derideo_Te, Nov 22, 2023
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  18. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Jack Hays, Dec 16, 2023
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    Discredited SOURCE duly noted.
     
    Derideo_Te, Dec 16, 2023
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  20. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    "BOE Report is Canada’s source for oil and gas news, activity and information. The publication launched in January 2013 and is the most read daily oil and gas news website in Canada, reaching over 100,000 energy professionals each month."
     
    Jack Hays, Dec 16, 2023
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  21. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Your LINK was to the DISCREDITED "watts app with that" Conspiracy BLOG site
     
    Derideo_Te, Dec 16, 2023
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  22. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    WUWT is an aggregator. The source was BOE, which is linked within the WUWT post. Had you taken the time to actually read before posting you would have known that.
     
    Jack Hays, Dec 16, 2023
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    CONSPIRACY sites aggregate conspiracy CRAP.
     
    Derideo_Te, Dec 16, 2023
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  24. Jack Hays

    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Jack Hays, Jan 31, 2024
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    "Stupid"? At a certain point, stupidity can no longer be considered the most plausible explanation.

    "Whenever I see something that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, I know there must be a damn good reason for it." -- Peter de Vries
     
    bringiton, Jan 31, 2024
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