I am pro-gun - ask me anything...

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  1. Primus Epic

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    Desert Tech HTI 375. However, my right shoulder takes a pounding and I'm only good for a few rounds before needing a break. It really does hit hard.
     
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    So, everyone in the US never had and never will have a need for a gun for self defense?

    Many instances every day make your assertion wrong.
     
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    Some might say that the Sig Sauer P226 in 45ACP Tactical is cannon.

    It all depends on how one defines cannon? The effective range of 45ACP is about 500 yards, while the range of your typical civil war 6-PDR cannon would range from a low of 300 yards up to something like 1,500 yards. Cannon shot hits and causes damage. 45ACP hits and causes damage. The physics behind the ballistics and the round itself matters most.

    So, yeah - define what cannon means.
     
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    I have no experience. Concept is great.
     
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    I have. Twice. It depends a lot on demographics. I survived in part because of many years of martial arts training and some common sense. So, I was able to disarm one and evade the other. I would much rather have had the ability to defend myself and others with a firearm instead, as opposed to being forced to physically engage someone with a firearm given the imminent nature of the threat and its proximity being mere inches. If it had not been for the close proximity and my training in the first case, I might not be here today. In the second case, I found cover first and then evaded when appropriate.

    In both cases, I sustained a much higher degree of risk exposure because I was not armed myself. Especially, in the second instance because you cannot out run a bullet. Had I been able to put rounds on target, I could have remained behind cover - a far superior position than being forced to uncover and evade. There was no place else to go and nothing else to do. He just missed a moving target.

    I find that people never having been in a gun fight or never having had an aggressor in immediate contact range with gun, really don't understand the underlying premise of self defense with a firearm or why it could become necessary to protect yourself or someone you care about - or quite possibly someone you don't know - a total stranger in need of a defense.
     
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    What is your favorite long-distance round? I am shooting a 6.5 Creed RPR and just LOVING IT.
     
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    9s are cheap and cheerful to be sure, but there is something about the punch of my Ruger 1911 that just really makes me love the .45
     
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    Do you even know what the Alien sedition acts are, or what there purpose were?
    Obviously not. This set of laws pertained to non-citizens, and making false claims against the government. These laws weren't "passed" by the founders, as you claim. These laws were passed in Adams's first term, and repealed as soon as Jefferson came into office. So no, there was no majority consensus on this law, by the founders.
     
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    In the context of 1792, its pretty clear what cannons were.
     
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    Ahhhh liberty cmon man!! We were letting him show all and sundry he doesn't know what he's talking about!
     
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    I shoot 6.5-06. 140 Berger VLD over IMR7828.
     
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    Too many excuses made for criminals.
     
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    A background check handles prior criminal convictions. The only way to determine mental capacity in the manner you speak would be to conduct a mental health test. Who conducts that test and what are the metrics for such a test? Does the FFL administer the test, or does the government? How does the test get administered without violating the purchasers 2nd Amendment rights or triggering a 5th Amendment violation by requiring one to essentially set themselves up for self-disqualification?

    One of the problems with mental health assessments is the fact that there are certain mental health disorders that people have developed very effective ways to hide and keep from public exposure. You won't easily detect those conditions and therefore you mental health "test" will draw a null result.

    It is easy to say. It is not easy to implement.


    The 2nd Amendment says nothing about such places as being "gun free zones" on Public Property. Now, you can set the rules for entry into Private Property, if you own it. I don't allow people I fly with on-board my personal aircraft (for example) to carry a personal firearm anywhere inside the interior of the cockpit or cabin. I do not restrict people I fly with from traveling with their firearm, but it must be stowed in the baggage around of the aircraft un-loaded and un-chambered. As pilot in command, I have responsibility for all aspects of flight safety and I am the sole authority on-board the aircraft at all times. But, that is an example of Private Property Restriction which does not and should not apply to Public Property.

    If the school is a Private School, then private property rules should govern. If the Library is a Private Library, then private property rules should govern. If the Government Building is a Private Property, then private property rules should govern.

    Now, the question is this: Is the Government Building Private or Public Property? One should be very careful how they answer this question. The answer will both surprise and shock most.


    What you are really saying here is that you don't trust people to be moral. You don't trust people to make good decisions. You don't trust people to do the right thing. And, you don't trust people to maintain self discipline and not intentionally seek to harm others. All valid points. However, those same people you don't trust can still kill in large numbers without owning explosives, bazookas, rocket launchers, tanks, grenades, etc..

    In the U.S.:

    32,000 people die each year from gun shots
    33,000 people die each year in auto collisions
    210,000 - 400,000+ people die each year from preventable error in medical treatment
    443,000 people die each year from the effects of smoking

    - Have we banned automobiles?
    - Have we banned visits to the hospital?
    - Have we banned individuals from owning and using tobacco related products?

    Yet, we are more than ready to ban and/or restrict people from a constitutional right. Automobiles, hospitals and tobacco kill more than 2,738% more people each year than do those who are killed by firearms. Yet, as a nation we are being ripped apart by the "Gun Controversy" each year and at each election season.

    Are we that stupid? Or, do we just like playing stupid to amuse ourselves?


    A spoon can be used as an "Assault Weapon." Yet, we don't take away anyone's right to eat soup properly.


    The 2nd Amendment does not lay the foundation for a permit or training. However, I have always believed that to be a responsible firearms owner, one must constantly train with their equipment and gear in order to be as effective as possible in the art and science of self-defense.
     
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    We imprison more people than anyone on earth
     
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    Should people be able to bring guns into courthouses, military bases and the statue of liberty
     
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    An M-2 and a hundred rounds of Ammo isn't much more than 50 60 pounds maybe 25 KG that is easily man portable. Meanwhile a 20 millimeter Oerlikon in most versions is in excess of 200. One of the reason that those armies that have used them in the past were vehicle mounted. A round of Ammo alone is nearly 40 percent larger in diameter. And a good bit longer into the bargain if memory serves.
     
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    Nonsense not per capita and we are quite open about who we have in Jail China Iran Russia are not. And lets not forget under sharia law there are no jail sentences.
     
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    Prove it
     
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    You made the allegation you prove it.
     
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    How do they manage to track political prisoners whose numbers are usually state secrets.
     
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    I await your evidence.
     
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    So, you support those restrictions?
     
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    So you think China NK and Russia don't have political prisoners/:roflol:

    And you think they actually publicize such? :rolleyes::roflol:
     
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    Of course they do. And they report every one. You know they have families that would report it an yway....don't you? But I will be happy to examine your evidence. LOL
     
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