I am proof that Covid is real

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  1. Peter the Roman

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    What part of "I have read a lot about alleged HIV" so I have quite knowledge of that subject don't you understand?

    Regarding any other alleged virus, I repeat that I have only read certain things, so I'm not sure, but I dare you about the topic of alleged HIV.

    If you have any proof of HIV existence expose it, instead of exposing zero arguments (except that of "many doctors or scientists believe in it", which is a fallacy) and doing personal attacks.

    This link could help:

    http://www.theperthgroup.com/FAQ/question1.html
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If not for the vaccine and booster shots, i probably would have been VERY sick.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, kept us out of the hospital. That's a good thing, you know.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you don't believe in the Influenza virus, the Covid virus or the HIV virus?

    Sorry to seem rude, but that's insane.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So its its just a massive coincidence that i got sick, tested positive for covid and then my wife got sick and also tested positive?

    And then i felt a bit better, my test was a very weak positive, and then the next day i felt worse again and my test was a very strong positive again?? All coincidence??

    Maybe the test itself made me sick!!! Its the test damn it, that give us covid!!! No, i got sick cuz i took the vaccine!! Never got sick from vaccine, or booster 1 or booster 2 or booster three, but it takes its time!!! Its all part of the Zionist/Soros plan!!!


    LOL!! You guys are insane and need help.
     
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    I don't believe in HIV virus, and I would bet a lot that it doesn't exist. I think I have deep knowledge of this subject.

    Regarding all the rest of alleged viruses, I have certain doubts, because I've read certain things too (texts of Stefan Lanka, Thomas Cowan, ...), and because it would sound strange HIV being the only virus not existing, it sounds more logical being the tip of the iceberg.

    That's what I said in my previous posts. English is not my mother tongue and maybe something is not well expressed, but I think my posts are perfectly understandable.
     
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    HIV exists, regardless of the inane conspiracy theories you've fallen for. Braindead conspiracy theories are not "deep knowledge."
     
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    . . . you are literally so desperate as to claim that virions don't exist? Really?
     
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    The person who made this sign needs to look into getting their lobotomy reversed.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know of no one who got very sick from the vaccine.

    I know of several people who got very sick from the virus while unvaccinated. 2 died.

    The virus is real. The vaccine is real.

    Get over your paranoid ignorance.
     
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    Yes the virus is real and the vaccine is real but it's improperly called a vaccine.

    I'm willing to bet the two people you know that died if they really did or either very old or had frail health.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My friend who got VERY sick is my age and in great health. Was unvaccinated at the time.

    Covid is real. The infection can really **** you up if you're not vaccinated. Deal with reality, not your silly paranoid fantasy.
     
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    you understand that's extremely rare right?
    Yeah coronavirus is real it's been around for decades. The chances of the virus doing a lot of damage to you is extremely low but any viral infection can really mess you up.

    What fantasy are you talking about?

    Haven't denied anything you said so are you in a fantasy as well
     
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    I will bet you a $100 that the person who made that meme wasn't a complete imbecile; and injected themselves with a "miracle" pseudo vaccine (that was suppose to have been magically created in a mere 6 months) not once, not twice, not thrice or quadruple times for a government created "whole-cloth" viron that surely had the Hollywood Sci-Fi Doom & Gloom script writers laughing their asses off.
     
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    When was the last time you looked at any actual HIV research. Duesberg has been thoroughly debunked, repeatedly. He claimed that AIDS was caused by non-infectious things like recreational drug use and pharmaceutical drug use and HIV is a harmless passenger virus.

    The Perth Group which you are using to support your false conclusions have been heavily debunked. Why are you believing a handful of naysayers over thousands of research papers?

    Duesberg’s claims are not only false but really stupid and illogical.

    For example, opioid related deaths since the 1990’s have increased three-fold from 1979 - 1990 while AIDS cases and deaths fell by a lot during the mid to late 1990’s. This demonstrates that pharmaceutical abuse of drugs is not related to increased AIDS deaths. So, Duesberg was presenting false correlations that were easily debunked. In addition, HIV-negative drug users do not develop the opportunistic infections like HIV-positive drug users which indicates it is HIV causing the opportunistic infections and not the drug use.

    And did the Hemophiliac’s who received transfusions that were later identified as coming from an HIV tainted supply abuse drugs? Try to tell me how you think a 5 year hemophiliac who received blood transfusions tainted with HIV was abusing either pharmaceuticals or using drugs recreationally? How would a 5 year old hemophiliac get AIDS? - - tell me what it was other than transfusions tainted with HIV. If one has developed AIDS from a blood transfusion tainted with HIV, one would logically conclude that it was the HIV that caused the AIDS symptoms. Can you say it was any thing other than a viral cause related to a blood transfusion especially in the absence of any other causal factors that were suggested by Duesberg?

    Duesberg also said ‘poppers’ caused Kaposi sarcoma in gay men, not HIV. Have you read any of the research that now shows the a herpesvirus, potentiated by HIV, is responsible for AIDS-associated Kaposi’s sarcoma.

    Can you explain how infants who breast fed from HIV positive mothers developed AIDS like symptoms and tested positive for HIV? Really can Duesberg explain that. Most infants don’t turn to drugs and poppers and such a young age.

    Stop looking at and believing ancient comments from HIV deniers and look at some real science.

    HIV has been isolated from patients at all stages of HIV infections. Detailed images have been obtained using transmission electron microscopy and electron cryotomography. Scientists have also used a combination of electron and immunofluorescent microscopy to show intracellular transport of individual HIV-1 towards the nucleus of the infected cell. Three-dimensional video microscopy has also demonstrated the cell-to-cell transfer of HIV-1 between T-lymphocytes.

    Explain the following. There have been accidental needle-sticks in lab workers who were working with purified HIV. These people developed AIDS-like symptoms and HIV has been isolated from their blood. Not only that, DNA sequencing totally confirmed that the HIV variant that was isolated from their blood was identical to the one they were working on when the accidental needle stick occurred.

    Can you answer why AIDS was occurring in the majority of gay men when there a huge number of women who were abusing recreational drugs and pharmaceuticals as well. Why only men? Could it have something to do with how one gets infected with HIV — via transfer of bodily fluids?. If drugs were the cause, then females and males equally would likely have developed AIDS. All Duesberg was doing was attacking gay men and male drug abusers. Thirty years later, he looks like a total moron, especially with the advances in microscopy.

    Can you explain why HAART or highly active antiretroviral therapy has saved HIV positive people from developing full blown AIDS? HAART decreases the patient’s viral load of HIV (measurable indication of how much of the virus is in the body), maintains the function of the immune system, and prevents the opportunistic infections that often lead to death. It helps maintain an undetectable viral load in HIV positive people which prevents accidental transmission to same sex and opposite sex partners. Explain how an antiretroviral therapy would work in the absence of the virus and then explain the higher death rates of those who don’t receive therapies like HAART?


    You really should stop cherry-picking information that is produced by HIV deniers and look up some real research because you seem to be oblivious to any recent research. You might want to engage in a bit of critical thinking as well. Most of all, why are you spreading HIV denialism on a thread about COVID?
     
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    Maybe, maybe not. I’m vaccinated as well but I think it actually prevented me from getting sick. My wife got COVID and I slept next her and kissed her, never wore a mask around her and never got it. But my kids who are not vaccinated never got it as well so who knows. But I do think the vaccine is mostly worthless being it doesn’t prevent a dang thing. People have still died from COVID that were vaccinated so there is that.
     
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    You might want to look up how the vaccines actually work and have worked to decrease number of deaths and stopped people from developing severe covid.
     
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    People have also died that are vaccinated. The vaccinated also get hospitalized and at one point accounted for the majority of hospitalizations. You can buy the hype and talk but the fact is it prevents absolutely nothing
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The vaccine has significantly reduced the chance of getting very sick and dieing.
     
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    What’s significant about that? You still had to take a pill. Was it the pill or the vax that truly helped you? You can feed me study after study but in the end vaccinated people still get hospitalized and at one point they were the majority being hospitalized. That vax means nothing to me. I feel stupid for even getting it
     
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    Yes, vulnerable people, especially very old people are dying even though vaccinated. Yes, vaccinated people also get hospitalized. What you are saying is wrong. Vaccinations have prevented severe illness and death. It’s been shown over and over.

    Why is it all naysayers are all or nothing? Do you refuse to wear a seat-belt because some people still die in car accidents even though wearing a seat belt? Would you refuse blood pressure medication even though it doesn’t prevent high blood pressure in every body that takes it? Would you refuse medications that reduce high blood cholesterol because it doesn’t work for 100 percent of people? Would you refuse of birth control even though it doesn’t prevent 100 percent of pregnancies? Would you refuse a cancer medication that only elicits remission in 75% of people who have a certain type of tumour. Are seat belts, Blood Pressure medications, cholesterol medications, birth control, cancer medications all hype that prevent absolutely nothing. Do you feel stupid for wearing a seat belt, after all they don’t prevent deaths so they must be hype and do nothing.

    Why don’t you pay attention to the research and stop making sweeping comments based on personal bias which obviously comes from reading too much misinformation.
     
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    Your above response makes no sense. People still die in car accidents even when they wear seat belts.

    Yes people die even when they take vaccines, medicine, pray, exercise. People die.

    You will die and? Does that mean you should cross a busy intersection on a red light?

    With due respect your posts get more and more bizarre.

    You really think you feel stupid when you do not cross a busy street with a red light and walk into traffic? You really feel stupid for wearing a seat belt? Do you feel stupid not smoking or do you smoke and that makes you feel smart?

    Come on. Get real with the posts man.
     
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    I likely would if the seatbelt didn’t serve its function as this so called vaccine does not. If the seatbelt sometimes would unlock it would be worthless to me. This vaccine does not do what it was originally sold to do. It’s nothing more than a questionable pile of garbage
     
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    Yes but seat belts perform their duty. If you installed a seatbelt that would sometimes come unlocked and not do it’s job it would be a better example.
     
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    Sorry seat belts don't come unlocked any more than vaccines do you are reaching. I get your actual point though to be fair to you. Look vaccines can not and have never been represented to be 100% guaranteed to prevent you getting Covid 19. People who get Covid 19 may have gotten it BEFORE they took the vaccine and yes for sure, people get the virus even after taking the vaccine.

    The fact remains the vaccine for the vast majority of people who get Covid 19 after taking the vaccine have their symptoms reduced and the chance of them dying from the virus itself or spreading it greatly reduced, Please do not tell me you so not know that.

    No its not stupid to know that and for that matter is it not fair to suggest you have a greater concern as to whether you can trust taking the vaccine because of trust issues with Big Pharma and government?

    That I get. I do not attack that personal doubt of yours. You will note I challenge false statements about the vaccine not your lack of trust. Trust issues are ultimately subjective faith issues only you can decide as an individual and I only deal with info and how its presented.

    Next and with due respect vaccines do not unlock. They don't fail to work. They work even when you get the virus-the degree of how they work on each person's physiology yes it differs and on some the reduction in symptoms is not as great as with others. For sure.

    Next how many seat-belt clips come unlocked? Really? Even if they did does that make you stupid for wearing one? Does the fact that a red light does not work make it prudent to run across a busy street and not expect to get hit by a car? Come on man.

    The issue E made was his claiming its stupid to engage in risk management because its not 100% guaranteed to reduce risk.

    Hell of course you can wear a seatbelt in a plane and a bird can fly into the engine and kaboom the engine blows and you might crash and die.... does that mean you should not wear a seat belt during turbulence?

    Come on man.
     
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