I concede this much to the Christians among us

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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am saying, Atheists, Muslims, Christians, etc.... are forced to donate to the church as the Church members are not donating enough it seems
     
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    seems you're the one trying to derail the thread
     
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    I expect most organizations use identifying clothing or something. The ones I’m familiar with do.

    Disaster relief is supposed to have a bit of organization to it. Organizations involved in relief typically coordinate with state and local authorities so they are actually helping instead of getting in the way or being redundant. i don’t think it has anything to do with showing off. It’s just being organized and efficient.

    I’m sure there are many fine atheists that help people out. But organizations of atheists appear to be more devoted to evangelism and proselytizing than charity. But I’m sure there are some, just doesn’t seem to be very common. Of course statistically there are less atheists still than religious folks so perhaps that plays a part.

    I remember reading about one athirst charity that tried to get tax and regulatory status same as churches and was refused. It sounded like they sued the IRS and ceased charitable work until the IRS relents. Apparently activism is more important than charity to that one.

    There’s a mission for Navajo kids I support. When their tax exempt status was pulled by the IRS under the Obama administration they had a scare. I had a habit of calling the director occasionally when donating because she knew my aunt well. She told me one day they no longer could offer receipts for tax purposes and maybe I wouldn’t want to continue helping them. I assured her that was not why I was donating to the mission and nothing would change on my end. Unfortunately not everyone who donated to them felt the same and they had a tough go for a while but survived until their status was reinstated without explanation or apology.

    Some folks are more interested in helping people and others are mostly concerned about their own financial status. I don’t think religiosity or atheism accurately predicts either state at the individual level. At the organizational level there does seem to be different sets of priorities. I’m open to evidence I’m wrong.
     
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    When you say “church” you mean that generically to include mosques, temples, etc. right? Or is it a reference to Christian churches specifically?

    What constitutes “enough”?
     
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    any religion that gets money from tax payers
     
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    So you propose discrimination against aid organizations based on their religious affiliation? Interesting. Not based on efficacy of use of funds or quality of services rendered? Just straight up support of non-religious aid organizations and complete prohibition of funding if there is religious affiliation?
     
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    I propose we revoke faith based initiatives

    at the very least make that information public, who gets what money
     
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    I think all spending should be public.

    Why just faith based initiatives?
     
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    agree, never said otherwise
     
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    So you want to have government discriminate against people solely on the basis they hold religious beliefs, but are unwilling to justify such discrimination with a concrete reason based on logic?
     

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