I liked Ron Paul until I heard he supports gay marriage.

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  1. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    I keep talking about the tax breaks and governmental entitlements because gays are free to marry whomever they like. Even here in conservative central texas you can go down to the local church of Christ and marry your boyfriend if you like. But they wont get the tax breaks and governmental entitlements, which is what they demand.
    And homosexual behavior is found in nature. Homosexuality is purely a human invention.
    And I am no more judging two brothers who are not extended the benefits of marriage than I am homosexuals who are not extended the benefits of marriage.

    You should change your avatar to something more appropriate

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    Yet you are committing adultery with your girlfriend.

    Seriously- you are against Gay marriage- because you believe in 'good morals'- but you are committing adultery with your girlfriend.

    We don't know what Jesus's position is on Gay marriage, because he never spoke of it. But we do know what Jesus's said about adultery.

    So much for 'good morals'
     
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    Homosexuality EXISTS period; the CONCEPTS by which we understand it are surely "human". Human beings did NOT 'invent' "homosexuality"; that is a STUPID thing to say.

    How do we know that YOU don't look like a fracking CLOWN?! Please, stop with the juvenile insults.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    But they did. Until 1869 the concept didnt even exist. Bonobo chimps frequently engage in homosexual behavior, but they still do all there breeding with the opposite sex. There are no homosexual bonobos. This idea of some inherent trait of preferring the same sex is an invention. The invention is already being dismantled.


    ...the emergence of "plastic sexuality," "confluent love," and the "pure relationship" as democratic and desirable alternatives to a sexuality harnessed to reproduction, love based on addictive or co-dependent relationships, and the rights and obligations of traditional marriage. The separation of sexuality from procreation entails its freedom from heterosexuality and its emergence as an individual attribute, something individuals can develop, enjoy, change or project as part of their changing definition of the self. Sexuality becomes plastic because the self itself has broken the bounds of traditional institutional expectations and it is now free to constitute and reconstitute itself in a series of narratives answering to nothing else but the growing freedom of individuals to develop their potential.
    http://www.colorado.edu/Sociology/gimenez/work/GIDDENS.TXT

    Can sexual orientation change?
    One of the strongest arguments against homosexuality
    as an inborn, unalterable condition is change in sexual orientation. In
    this chapter we describe how the scientific literature shows that
    sexual orientation is not fixed but fluid. People move around on the
    homosexual-heterosexual continuum to a surprising degree in both
    directions, but a far greater proportion of homosexuals become
    heterosexual than heterosexuals become homosexual. Some of the
    change is therapeutically assisted, but in most cases it appears to
    be circumstantial. Life itself can bring along the factors that make
    the difference. This chapter looks at change and its proponents and
    opponents.
    http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch12.pdf

    We also know that many genes, maybe hundreds, are involved
    in human behaviours, and that behaviours affected by many genes
    will change very slowly over very many generations (Chapter One).
    That is, they will be very stable for centuries, with only minimal
    changes from generation to generation. This is true not only in
    families, but also in cultures. But if we look at homosexuality, we find none of the characteristics of genetic properties.

    • There is a huge variety of homosexual practices between
    cultures and even within them.

    • The prevalence of homosexuality has varied considerably
    in different cultures. In some cultures, it has been unknown; in
    others, it has been obligatory for all males.
    • There have been, and are, rapid changes in homosexual
    behaviour, even over a lifetime. Not only that, but entire types
    of homosexuality have disappeared over the course of just a
    few centuries. In fact, anthropologists have found such huge variations
    in heterosexual and homosexual practice from culture to culture, and
    such sudden changes in sexual practice and orientation, even over
    a single generation, that they mostly want to say that all sexual
    behaviour is learned. In the words of one writer J. Rostand, “In the
    secret coming together of two human bodies, all society is the third
    presence.”
    http://www.mygenes.co.nz/PDFs/Ch6.pdf
     
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    Please dont go whinning to the moderaters again.
     
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    homosexual relationships have been known to occur in the animal kingdom. So the idea that humans invented it is wrong. This also proves that homosexuality is naturally occuring and not a choice (In most cases), in that animals do not have the mental capacity to make these types of choices.

    I have a two male dogs who, at least try, to have sex with each other all the time. I have a female dog, who neither have ever tried to make with. They are gay in every sense of the word.
     
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    Conduct yourself as an adult.
     
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    So what, dixon. It is obvious today that people and animals are homosexual. The concept is something that was needed and useful.

    Look, no one is going to play word games with you here. If you want to argue the "concept"... take it to some other thread. You aren't going to accomplish any redefinition of English words here.
     
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    Isn't Dixon the one who claimed he was going to redefine the world consent because he couldn't think of a way to claim that incest, polygamy, and same sex marriage between consenting adults harms society?
     
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    Homosexual behavior occurs. Homosexuality is purely a human invention.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Nonsense. Animals are bisexual. Hommosexuality is a human invention.
     
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    What ever you tell yourself to let yourself sleep better tonight thinking what you are doing ISNT oppressing someone.
     
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    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    And here is where I show you how totally wrong you are.


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    ABSURD to equate the witholding of tax breaks and governmental entitlements with oppression. Its no more oppression witholding them from gay couples than it is witholding them from my brother and I. Such hyperbole only demonstrates the weakness of your arguments.
     
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    Who cares? For every old bigoted dumbass Paul loses, he picks up 10 youth supporters who recognize he is the only candidate who represents real change at this point.
     
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    You must love Phil Kayser:

    http://blog.4president.org/2012/201...d-by-pastor-rev-phil-kayser-phd-iacaucus.html
     
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    Are you saying homosexuals are animals or just as dumb as animals? I am not comprehending how animals justify intelligent humans doing immoral sex acts.
     
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    all humans are animals. and morality is subjective. YOU don't get to decide what is moral or immoral for everyone else.
     
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    Whats this? Why didnt you provide a link?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mammals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

    LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! Thats why

    Just Like I said. Good god man, DIG DEEP for some remaining shred of integrity.
     
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    Take the morals away and this country falls. It is happening and you can't even see it
     
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    [/troll feeding]

    unsubscribed.
     
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    our countries economic success has nothing to do with your version of morality.

    allowing same sex couples to marry, has exactly zero effect on you.
     
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    Yes it does. They are already in my face and the GLSEN has great power in our kids thought process and the GLSEN is indoctrinating our kids.


    Gay parades are full of indecent exposure and lewd and nude behavior and no one will do anything about it. The special rights and looking the other way should stop.
     
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