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I liked Ron Paul until I heard he supports gay marriage.

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by jedimiller, Jan 1, 2012.

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  1. Sadistic-Savior

    Sadistic-Savior New Member Past Donor

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    No one is arguing otherwise.

    You have a choice when it comes to ACTIONS. You do not have a choice when it comes to feelings. You yourself admitted that in post #506.

    Why could you not just choose to have urges for men? What is stopping you from doing so?

    Is it possible you have feelings that you are not capable of changing?
     
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    Yes it is. i have been a drug addict. I moved from Wisconsin to Florida to kick a cocaine addiction. When I got away from the influence I was able to use self-control and have not used in more than 20 years.

    Sex is the same way It is a matter of choice and self-control. You have a choice who you have sex with. I guess if gay sex is not a choice than bestiality is also not a choice
     
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    Action is one doing what he feels it does not mean he did not have a choice
     
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    You think people do not have a choice to resist urges. In a rage I may want to hit someone but I have a choice whether to follow the urge or use self-control and avoid a bad situation.
     
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    I have morals and know gay sex is wrong. I can have an urge and still use self control to not act on it
     
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    Because its never been put to a national vote. According to polls 53% of Americans favour same-sex marriage.

    Besides that there is greater voter enthusiasm amongst conservatives, especially on issues like SSM.

    Many of the states that voted on it were also red states with smaller populations, so it's no surprise they passed constitutional bans. In California the vote was extremely close percentage wise - only a 2-3% shift would have upheld same-sex marriage in the state. Same with Maine. Four years later it's the SSM supporters trying to get it back on the ballot. Maine will vote this year. I'd say there's a good chance it will restore SSM.
     
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    They do not have the choice of whether or not the urges are there.


    Exactly. But the urge remains there even if you resist it.

    That is what the gays are saying. The urge is already there. They did not make a choice to have the urge.

    You do not have the urge to have sex with men, unlike some other people. So it is easy for you not to do so.

    You claimed in post #506 that you do not have THIS urge.


    We are not discussing a choice of actions in this context. We are discussing a choice of urges. No homosexuals, anywhere, are claiming that they do not have a choice when it comes to acting on their urges.

    No one is making the claim that the ACT is not a choice. The claim being made is that the urge itself is not a choice.
     
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    Participating in a consensual, legal act that might have some personal risk causes harm in the same way committing a non-consensual and illegal assault?

    While that one doctor's medical opinion is entertaining, your logic just made the local bartender the equivalent of a serial rapist and I can only imagine what you must think of Ronald McDonald.

    Since anal sex is neither an exclusively homosexual act nor one that all homosexual couples employ, your objection isn't with homosexuality.
     
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    They wouldn't allow me to rep you, so...........

    WELL DONE!
     
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    No one is saying they don't have a choice, but it is wrong to expect people to suppress their identity.
     
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    Thread exceeds the limit of 500 posts, time to close.
     
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