I love having a liberal roommate ...

"People are entitled to health care" she says, "regardless of their ability to pay".

That works great for me -- I don't need to go to the grocery store anymore. I'll just steal her food whenever she goes since I don't need to worry about taking care of basic necessities for myself anymore.

Good thing, too, cuz I'm out of milk this morning ...

 

Careful... I think you'll find that liberals are far less generous with their own money than they are with the money of others.

 

Then yes. The basic things should be accessible by everybody independing their adquisitive power. And that includes healthcare and education.

That is pure logic. The problem with fascism is that they would like to see thousand of people starving, dying because they didn't have the correct treatment.... THey enjoy that.

 

Ehh, I'd be worried that she'd stop paying rent and then force you to go through the process of having her legally evicted which could take months. Also just remember, you may think it's funny that she believes she has a right to free stuff, but it's going to be a lot less funny when she decides she has a right to your stuff. Keep an eye on all your valuables and hopefully you have a receipt for all your big ticket items. When she carts off your TV to the pawnshop to go buy crack, you need to be able to legally prove you owned the TV.

Personally, I'd never let a lefty near any of my possessions.

 

What if a homeless guy broke into your house and started taking all your stuff? No, what if he started living there?

You wouldn't do anything to stop him? Please, you fool.

 

If this is true, then review your life. stealing from your friends, shamefull.

 

She is the one who started the aggression. She was the first one to lay claim to my property. She told me "You don't own your property. The government does, and it should, so that it can give that property to those who need it".

I am only responding to her aggression with self defense.

 

I hope your fire equiptment is well maintained because you seem to be living with a strawman.

 

While I disagree with her statement, you're not the government. Putting aside the moral bankruptcy of your justification that is someone else steals, it's OK for you to do it too, the Govt taxing is not the equivalent of personal stealing.

 

So individuals are not allowed to take from one another, but the Government is?

How can individuals collectively give to Government an authority which they themselves do not possess?

No, the implication of her argument is that it is OK for those "without" to steal from those "with".

 

Agression?

I like a phrase, he can't never be accused of liberal:

- Property is robbery.

Think about it.

 

Uh, yeah.

Because the government has to have powers that individuals do not possess.

Not at all. While I pointed out that I don't agree in toto with her assertions, I didn't see anything in her statements where she said it was "OK for those "without" to steal from those "with"". Which statement are you referring to where she said that. I would generally disagree with such a statement, though I could see an argument for it or at least mitigation in a life or death situation.

 

If base this on political beliefs, better hope she doesnt excuse selling all your stuff. "Free market"

 

"Fascism"...what, Mussolini came back to life? What are you talking about? You sound like someone out of the 30's.

[In attempting to obtain or prove intellectual superiority, you might spot-check what you wrote.]

 

I've thought about it for quite some time, but you still have never convinced me of this assertion.

Please continue though. I'm not closed to new ideas, I would love to see things from your perspective, but I'm just struggling.

 

Leftys will gladly surrender their rights and yours for the promise of free stuff. The government doesnt even have to make good on their promise, and they wont.

 

Maybe you should check conservatism or better said: fascism disguissed.

I am talking about conservative, not neoliberals like Ron Paul.

 

tell her she needs to share her grade point average since others are entitled to the same education and job opportunities as she is.

 

I'm gonna go out on a limb to defend your roomie.
She would rather they be entitled than die.

And if you ran out of milk because you couldn't afford milk for the week, I doubt she'd have any issue with you using her's.

 

Huh? What property did she claim of yours?

I hope this roomie thing isn't out of romance. Cuz it won't be for long.

 

Not sure if her entire point was simply she felt that everyone deserves a long & healthy life but, I believe she unsure as to how to make it happen. Did she argue for increased taxation or printing of dollars to facilitate the free Healthcare for those who are unable to pay for it?

 

Some call it fascism, some crony capitalism. Very similar, slight differences, but overall close enough.
And yes, that is our USA.

 

You're exactly right.

What she fails to realize is that death is a natural part of life. We ought not spend resources we don't have and destroy property rights of individuals all in an attempt to keep the sun from setting (to use a metaphor).

I stress the property rights. She believes that one group is entitled to take from another (for a cause she believes is moral). If she thinks she is entitled to take property from me, then, conditionally, individuals have a right to take from others.

If she infringes on my property rights, then I will retaliate.

 

I agree it's good that hospitals have to provide emergency care, regardless of ones ability to pay. Also, most hospitals I've dealt with put you on a sliding scale if you do not have insurance (100% discount for some).

 

Yeah, we have Emergency Rooms. Why can't those be funded at the local level, like Fire and Police depts? Why do we need to make a federal case out of it?

Emergency Care is SIGNIFICANTLY different from other health care.