"I want the Government off our backs....and into her uterus."

The synopsis of Errand of Mercy is.....

War! The Klingons and the Federation are poised on the brink, and then war is declared. Kirk and Spock visit the planet Organia. Organia, inhabited by simple pastoral folk, lies on a tactical corridor likely to be important in the coming conflict. Whichever side controls the planet has a significant advantage. But the Organians are a perplexing people, apparently unconcerned by the threat of the Klingon occupation or even the deaths of others in their community. Finally, Kirk and the Klingon commander Kor learn why, and the reason will change Federation/Klingon relations for decades to come.

I remeber this episode as the REASON why the Organians don't see the Klingon's as a threat and do nothing and do not react or even get angry when the Klingons vaporize hundreds upon hundreds of Organians because the Organians refuse to cooperate with the Klingons is because........

........because the Organians are BEINGS OF PURE ENERGY that are simply taking Humanoid Form to allow interaction between themselves and both the Klingons and Federation.....thus no Organians are harmed or can be harmed or killed as they are but pure Energy.

Now the KEY WORD that Anders Hoveland has used in his quotes is PEOPLE!!!

As Anders quotes this from the episode....."To kill millions of innocent people?"...end quote.

Thing is the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled and has gone over this many times and confirmed that in order for something to be a PERSON....it must FIRST OBTAIN PERSONAGE!!!

A FETUS does not obtain Personage until that Fetus is either naturally birthed or removed via C-Section from the female and even then the Fetus must have it's umbilical Cord cut and be completely seperated from the woman as it can either breath and exist on it's own or with mechanical help AND AT THAT POINT A FETUS NOW OBTAINS PERSONAGE AND IS CONSIDERED A HUMAN BEING!!!

So Anders....your quoted statement really doesn't apply.

AboveAlpha

 

That's why I thought this part was interesting:

Councilman: No one has been killed, captain.

Second Councilman: No one has died here, in uncounted thousands of years.

Klingon Captain: You're liars


Just thought Gorn Captain (considering his chosen name and avatar picture ) might find this interesting.

With the Klingons carrying out mass executions, those Councilmen seemed about as nonchalant as the pro-abortion extremists in this forum.
Unfortunately, the fetus is not just a being of pure energy. (well, I suppose it does have a lot of 'energy' when it's busy kicking in there )

 

Ah.

OK.

AboveAlpha

 

Although the episode that I think most reflects abortion is Patterns of Force, what happens when you give one person too much power...

 

Too much power, as in, the right to control her own reproduction? The right to defend herself from pain, injury and possible death? The right to determine her own course in life?

 

Yup! For a misogynist that IS way too much power for mere women to have....

 

You think a fetus is a "person" and you want to give it more power than the woman it's in. Don't you think women are "persons" ??? Just cattle? Less than a fetus?

 

Exactly...

 

OMG! Hard to believe such creepy mentally ill caveman ( holding sign) still exists in the 21st century...what a scared little man he must be.......... bet the only woman he ever gets would have to be kidnapped, beaten and drugged....

 

Sadly, Christian fundamentalism that creates this caveman mentality is growing in the US. Did you see that a Republican state senator recently called women "a lesser cut of meat"?

 

Yes, I saw that...piece of garbage called Tom Corbin (REPUBLICAN) who seems to have a deep mental problem with his fear of women. He also does look like the guy holding that sign you posted....

 

Do Libertarians oppose self-defence, as far as I am aware they do not, in fact on their web page they issue the following as part of their platform

1.7 Self-Defense

The only legitimate use of force is in defense of individual rights — life, liberty, and justly acquired property — against aggression. This right inheres in the individual, who may agree to be aided by any other individual or group. ..

Does a woman not have "individual rights" to her body, to life and liberty, in the same way you do, why can she not defend herself against non-consented injuries that ALL pregnancies create while you can defend yourself against non-consented injuries?

 

I figured your favorite episode was "Patterns of Force"....where a delusional man imagines that he can use "only the good stuff" from Nazism to create a perfect society.

That IS your goal.....a totalitarian fascist state to "protect the unborn"....right?

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Noted this.....again, it's ironic, given YOU want to use Nazi-like techniques....against women.

 

The misogyny of social conservative men runs deep, Cady. It's why guys like Limbaugh talk about "femi-nazis"....call women "sl*ts"....and of course, not coincidentally, are on their fourth marriage.

That's also why we see, unless they find some woman with low self-esteem and low self-worth....how many of the truly vehement "pro-life" men....

have no or have failed long-term relationships with women. Local examples included.

 

And if we compare the men who most enthusiastic about abortion? They use women as sl*ts, and often don't even bother with marriage at all. Sad to say, but even Limbaugh has more respect for women than most of these men.

Well, their sausage is smaller...

Her own course in life? The pregnancy is only for nine months. We don't want to make her pregnant, in fact we really wish she'd take all possible precautions to prevent the pregnancy before it starts.

Yes, the power over life and death—for someone else.

 

Two things....one proven, the other likely true since you won't deny it-

1. You want to use Gestapo-state to control women....airport ultrasounds, monitoring hteir Internet useage, even bio-chipping them for Govt' monitoring. And notice...you never even try to lie and deny it?

2. I'm sure you've had LESS success at long-term relationships with women than even thre thrice-divorced Rush Limbaugh.

 

Choicers claim pro-lifers are hypocrites because they want less government regulation but want government to protect the unborn,
but you know it goes both ways:
"No one should force a woman to do something she doesn't want to do"

 

In fact, they don't have sausages at all, and for the misogynists, that means women are "lesser."

A pregnancy with childbirth alters a woman's entire life whether she keeps the baby or gives it up. Are you familiar with the movie Philomena? After the convent sold her baby, she searched for him for 50 years. You can't begin to understand all the repercussions of your goal to make abortion illegal.

If that were true, comprehensive sex education and contraception would be freely available, but conservatives, many of them "pro-life," are opposed to proven policies for reducing unwanted pregnancies.

She has the power and the right to decide if something or someone can use her body, and you hate that.

 

Have you ever noticed when we accuse Anders of thinking of women as "lesser beings".....he never gets offended at that assertion, or even denies it???

 

Do you think it would have been easier knowing her baby was dead? What about knowing that she was the one who decided to get rid of it?
You say she searched for her baby for 50 years, after the fact. Well, if she had gotten an abortion she would have NO chance of seeing her baby again, ever.

Or do you still think abortion is "emotionally easier" for the mother than adoption?

 

Women terminate their pregnancies long before there would be a baby.

She's the only one who can decide, one way or the other, because she is the one most affected. For most women, the decision to abort doesn't make them remorseful or depressed. For most of them, it's a relief.

There would have been no baby, and she could have resumed a normal life.

Abortion is terminating a pregnancy. Adoption means bonding to and giving up a baby. Of course abortion is emotionally easier. In either case, the decision is HERS to deal with, not yours.

 

And remember, as interesting as it is to debate it with him.....that will ALWAYS be true.

Despite his desperate hopes and dreams, which will go on for years until he dies or gives up, Anders will NEVER get his "pro-life" totalitarian misogynist state. Ever.

 

He and his cohorts could move to El Salvador and we could all be happy.

 

another of your zombie threads that was blown apart . .why do you do this to yourself, it only makes you look stupid.