If Christians hate abortion so much, why do they vote Republican?

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  1. AKR

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    Republicans and their politicians generally try to limit access to birth control, end funding for birth control, and teach abstinence only education. These actions result in MORE unwanted pregnancies, and therefore, MORE abortions. So, what exactly are you voting for republicans who push these pro-unwanted pregnancy policies?
     
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    Actually, you're slightly wrong.

    The GOP has been lying to the "pro-lifers" for years. Despite a lot of rhetoric and the occasional push for "banning partial birth abortion"....the truth is the Republican Party leadership (key difference) does NOT want Roe v. Wade overturned or especially abortion made illegal.

    They read the polls same as we do...and they know that re-criminalization would be a poltiical DISASTER for them. Even "hinting" at it.....thus when they held all the cards (House, Senate, Dubya) from 2003 to 2006.....they held NO votes on the "Human Life Amendment" which would have Constitutinally banned abortion....despite the fact support for the HLA is in their Party Platform.

    The GOP USES the "pro-lifers" for votes...pandering to them with false promises of "ending the scourge of abortion"....to get power and implement their true agenda of more tax cuts and deregulation.

    And the "pro-lifers" keep falling for it.
     
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    Abortions are not the problem, and birth control is not a solution.

    The problem is the illegitimacy, purposefully having babies out-of-wedlock.

    It costs the Nation $1 Trillion dollars in 2011.
    The fatherless kids who are raised by Single Mothers represent 70% of all social problems, including Violent Crime.
    That fills our jails, clogs our courts, destroys property and businesses.

    The medicine for this present Social Disease is to return the standards of decency which existed before the 1960 Feminists Sexual Revolution.

    Shame and contempt for the bastards now born one out of every two births must be re-instituted before this will cease.
    Giving birth control access to never married young girls or contraceptives to the guys has FAILED along with Sex Education over the last 40 years.
    The message these programs project into the adolescent community is that "We are all doing it, and its OK."

    Gay marriage and discussion have the same effect of certifying sexual promiscuity, when the ONLY prevention for out-of-wedlock-babies is shame, religious training early on before hormones appear, and an absence of even mention of sex in the subculture of Children.
     
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    The politicians KNOW America can not afford to stop aborting one half of all the present illegitimate babies conceived/born every year.

    America kills 1.2 million babies and suffers Welfare/crime in the birthing of 1.5 million bastards.

    If abortion stops, while sexual promiscuity continues, the $1 Trillion dollar Welfare cost of 2011 will be $2 Trillion in 2014.
    The WHOLE federal tax base is only $2.5 Trillion.
     
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    I'm not sure how I'm wrong. I never said anything about republican politicians wanting to ban abortion. My point still stands. Christians vote for republicans, thinking they're anti-abortion. Whether they are or aren't is irrelevant.


    Accept, it is to millions of Christians, and this is the people I'm talking to/about. Your post is not relevant.
     
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    Hahahaaaa...
    LOL

    "Not relevant?"...

    If Christians were REALLY against abortion, they would stop their own daughters from g-having these abortions, since 2/3rds or 800,000 abortions are by girls who call themselves Christians.

    If Democrats had the guts, they could, should, would tell the religious people in America that they can immediately lower Abortions to 400,000 annually, down from 1,200,000 yearly.

    But the Republicans would counter that Welfare is an occupation now, since illegitimacies have risen to 1.5 million, or 1-out-of-2 births in America.

    To keep their jobs and balance the budget, it is politicians who MUST abort what would otherwise become double the Welfare recipients.
     
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    """Shame and contempt for the bastards now born"""".....is that how you see those "precious gifts from god" ???




    """"Gay marriage and discussion have the same effect of certifying sexual promiscuity,""""


    Uh, how exactly??? How does promoting marriage certify promiscuity? You mean gays will start acting like straights and screw around on their spouses??



    And, I just love those who totally ignore the entire history of the world and declare life was perfect and carefree befor 1960....LOLOLOLOL!!!!
     
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    1) The shame and contempt was pointed at the pregnant girl while the fear of the little criminals that she would raise without an authoritative model as the father was seen for what those bastards always are, (70% of the time), a burden on a healthy society.

    2) Gays "marriages" are a sham because they include the understanding/intent of 6-10 annual infidelities and in fact, are now the chief source of all new HIV/AIDS infections.
    These marriages" statistically last only seven years, on average which contrasts with hetero-marriages that last over 2 years.
     
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    Huh? So a gay marrriage that last 7 years is bad but if straights make it over two it's good....51% of ALL marriages end in divorce and starights screw around on their spouses and you have no proof otherwise.


    And, no , you called these "precious gifts from your god" bastards, you obviously hate them....and they are "precious gifts from YOUR god" how can you say that??

    Picked up a history book lately? You'll be in for a shock if you read about life BEFORE 1960....:)
     
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    You have data on your assertions? Sexuality Education in a comprehensive matter delays first intercourse and lessens unwanted pregnancy and thus abortion in teens to early 20s. Sex Education hasn't failed because it was done, it was done badly.
     
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    Hahaaaaa...
    typo...

    Sorry.
    Gay marriages are farces that let them throw a big party and maybe tie up a rich partner for alimony/support/Soc Sec, military benefits/pensions, tax breaks, etc, maybe:



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    Compare this to the longevity of Straight traditional concepts of what a marriage really means and we see the Stats give us the impetus towards the truth here:

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    So now you want to legislate based on who stays together(miserable or not) the longest?

    Do the people who are married the longest get a prize?

    Do you conservative/regressives want to ban divorce? I would think you would based on your other control issues....




    Dave: """Gay marriages are farces that let them throw a big party and maybe tie up a rich partner for alimony/support/Soc Sec, military benefits/pensions, tax breaks, etc, maybe:"""


    And hetero marriages aren't ?!!!! LOL!
     
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    You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the butt.
    Your graphs compare traditional marriages to having a boyfriend.
    Just stupidity, ignorance and hate mongering.
    Which do you think lasts longer, a marriage or your daughter's latest boyfriend?
    Just stupid.
     
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    Nothing specious about this this premise... :roflol:

    Allow me to debunk this framework
    They rightfully believe that birth control should not be given to minors without the parents knowledge

    They rightfully believe that each should be responsible for their own actions and not force taxpayers to pay for the consequences of others irresponsible behaviors.

    No, not teach abstinence only. How about teach abstinence first, and not leave it out completely like many programs do.

    The only actions that result in MORE unwanted pregnancies are the actions of irresponsible individuals who, if given free abortion pills and other forms of birth control , will continue their unchecked hazardous behaviors.

    THE END.
     
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    so it really IS the sex you want to control (jealousy?) and you don't really care about all those baaaaaabies.....
     
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    I see another window licker has escaped from the short bus......Yeah, that must be it...:roll:
     
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    How well did that work out in the PALIN household, cupid?

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    So ONLY poor women have abortions? That right?
     
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    LOL

    ...my graphs????


    The FACTS are better stated from statistical studies such as the one below, but gays will NEVER accept the Truth because it doesn't support their life style:

    High Rates Of Sexual Promiscuity within coupled Gay relationships:

    Dr. Maria Xiridou published a study in a 2003 edition of AIDS, which reveals that homosexual couples in Amsterdam engage in what can be called consensual infidelity.

    Dr. Xiridou was studying the spread of HIV among homosexuals in The Netherlands and found that HIV was spread more rapidly among homosexual couples who considered themselves to be in “steady” relationships.
    These couples failed to engage in “safe sex” and were involved in 6-10 additional sexual encounters outside of the primary relationship each year.

    www.traditionalvalues.org/pdf_files/statistics_on_homosexual_lifestyle.pdf
     
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    ...Channel the sex...
    Responsible adults ought want to provide a socially accept route and process for the younger generation to grow into in order to express their sexuality with each other.

    Previous to the wide open no adults permitted, sex and porno everywhere environment of the moment today, that process was courtship and entrance into the Institution of Marriage.
    Institutions are the foundations and pillars that support a society by anticipating the enculturation of he next group of young people who will replace the last.
    The chaos we see during adolescence today is the effects of non-regulation and the absence of any institutionalized program for young people to intercourse with each other safely for themselves and for the larger society as a whole.

    As far as the bastards that now number half of all Americans, whether one cares about the Child Abuse they encounter now in fatherless homes raised by single mothers, even the more selfish defense against the cost of this condition is a satisfactory reason to be interested.
     
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    You are still comparing a boyfriend to a marriage.
    Did you ever have a girlfriend?
    Have you ever been married?
    Which one lasted longer?
    Think about this distinction and get back to me.
     
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    The facts tell us that if a woman wants poverty, the best way to attain it is to have a baby or two out of wedlock.

    Girls like Crystal Palin can afford to raise a bastard and will get plenty of help she can afford to pay for.
    The 70% of the Black fatherless families have destroyed the Black communities and forced their kids into a cycle of murder, crimes, and fatherless child bearing all crammed together into dangerous cites where the school are full of students who will not go to school nor work responsibly enough to graduate when they do.

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    Are you gay?
     
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    You are a walking fail.
     
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    Classic liberal logic here. The people actually having the abortions cannot be held accountable for their behavior so we have to blame these other people who are "forcing" them to have them. Un-(*)(*)(*)(*)ing-believable. You people never cease to amaze me.

    What's it like to live in a world where you are never responsible for anything you do and everything is always someone else's fault? I just can't fathom what that must be like.
     
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    Classic conservative logic. Idealism trumps the reality. Provide children with education and they won't get pregnant in the first place. You preach personal responsibility, but you have a personal responsibility to make sure your children get properly educated and have access to birth control so they CAN take personal responsibility, so they are less likely to end up pregnant. It's this insane conservative ideology that says "welp, just don't have sex" and thinks that's actually working on kids when all of reality says it's not. Where is YOUR responsibility as a tax paying voter to vote for people that put policies in place that result in less abortion? You can't vote for someone who's fighting to NOT educate children and fighting to keep birth control from them and then blame others for their lack of responsibility. YOU are responsible for the bad policies that result in abortion.
     
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    I don't know about you but girls/women have to have a prescription for birth control and l doubt teenage girls have their own health insurance.

    So pro-birthers want the power to ban abortions but they don't want to finance birth control which would prevent unplanned pregnancies? Typical

    I don't think you have to teach abstinence. Maybe the parents should teach their children when sexual intercourse is appropriate and the schools teach the children the mechanics of sex so they won't fall for old wives' tales.
     

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