If evolution is true, then obviously "Jesus" is not real.

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  1. Casper

    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    That is YOUR Opinion, and it has been noted, several times now.

    You really changed my opinion of you and I will keep that in mind in the future.

    Good Day
     
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    I couldn't care less your opinion of me is, you made a statement, I proved you wrong and you whined like I stole your girlfriend. You are pitiable. I feel bad for you. People are laughing at you on this thread.
     
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    First off, you proved nothing other than whatever it is going on in your own head. Secondly, my point still stands, somewhere along the line there had to be a first man and a women that lead to our line, to claim otherwise is just stupidity. Thirdly, you do not speak for anyone other than yourself and I have no problem standing by my words. And finally, you have now proven you are not worth another second of my time on this or any other thread and have just discovered the shortcut to my Ignore list, so waste your time posting more of your obnoxious personal attacks all you wish, you are persona non grata as far as I am concerned.
    Good Day and Good Bye
     
  4. Incorporeal

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    Can you show PROOF of that claim highlighted in red letter?
     
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    Ask a mule.
     
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    Human genetics proves no such thing. Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam are the most recent common ancestor, not the first man and woman. Speciation is not a binary event where one species gives birth to a brand new species. The difference between each generation is so small we can never say when one species ends and another begins.
     
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    Why? you're not suggesting that hybrids are a species, are you? Maybe you need to read the question again,
     
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    You're going in circles. Yes, hybrids are a species.
    By the way, do mules breed successfully?
     
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    No, hybrids are not a species unless they can exchange genes which sterile mules cannot. Now try to answer the question if you can. If two different species share a common ancestor, how is one of them not a new propagating species?
     
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    This is not an attempt to throw a monkey in your wrench... but it is revealing.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/h/hybrid.htm
    "Interspecific hybrids are bred by mating two species, normally from within the same genus.

    The offspring display traits and characteristics of both parents.
    The offspring of an interspecific cross very often are sterile, this hybrid sterility prevents the movement of genes from one species to the other, keeping both species distinct.
    Sterility is often attributed to the different number of chromosomes the two species have, for example donkeys have 62 chromosomes, while horses have 64 chromosomes, and mules and hinnies have 63 chromosomes.
    Mules, hinnies, and other normally sterile interspecific hybrids cannot produce viable gametes because the extra chromosome cannot make a homologous pair at meiosis, meiosis is disrupted, and viable sperm and eggs are not formed.
    However, fertility in female mules has been reported with a donkey as the father."
     
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    Some Jennys, HInnys and Mollys can reproduce.
     
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    Yes they are although a dead end.
    I've answered the question. See above. And also, they must propagate in order
    to be a propagating species. If they can't propagate then they aren't a propagating
    species. That's pretty basic.
     
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    And what is the outcome? It was the original species, i.e. a horse or donkey, which ever
    the male was. A hinny can be fertile but it's unlikely.
     
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    In that case you should have no problem producing the scientific name for the species.

    No, you didn't answer it because it has nothing to do with hybrids, and as per your own definition a species isn't a species if it cannot propagate. Now show us you have some reading comprehension skills and answer the question I asked.
     
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    The reality is...and this has been 100% PROVEN GENETICALLY upon an Atomic and Molecular Level....all living things on Earth from a Plant to an Insect to a Human to a Bacteria...etc....all EVOLVED from an original Single Celled Life Form.

    Viral DNA Encoding into all species confirms this without question.

    If a GOD exists....it used Quantum and Biological Evolution over Billions of Years to develop all life in the Universe as well all life on Earth.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_hybrids

    I'm glad that you've finally agreed that I'm right.
    It has everything to do with hybrids.

    The most important part of your denial is that I'm right about evolution and
    you are wrong.

    Talk about going about the long way.
     
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    Consider the current model of humans as the product of ancient birth defects. For instance, take a look at these ten people with various birth defects.
    http://listverse.com/2010/09/08/top-10-bizarre-birth-defects/
    Suppose any one of them reproduced with another person who had the same birth defect and they started a population with the same trait over the future generations. At some point everyone would be uniform and the birth defect would be the normal condition for all humans.

    We do know that viruses and bacteria drive evolution. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/03/070305-evolution-germs.html So as viruses and bacteria continue their own mutations they will also influence our evolution. One day humans might grow shells like turtles and the people at that time will swear that they didn't evolve from us.
     
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    This dread of our animal origins is incredibly primitive - and apparently very hard to shake. The irony being that this dread is itself very animal. Maturing beyond it as a species would truly distinguish us.
     
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    Apparently you don't know the difference between common names and scientific names.

    :roflol:

    Hybridization is not the only, or even the most common mechanism for speciation. You might want to take some time to learn about them.

    [/QUOTE]The most important part of your denial is that I'm right about evolution and
    you are wrong.

    Talk about going about the long way.[/QUOTE]
    The Dunning-Kruger effect is strong in this one.
     
  20. Prunepicker

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    Not at all.
    Oh look. You did a Google search. How do you explain our discussion of
    hybrids? I guess you need a red herring.
    Not at all. I'm 100% right. You're the one not accepting the facts. You're the
    one changing the subject from hybrids to something else since you failed.

    Try again?
     
  21. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Maybe you should learn then.

    You're the one who trotting out the red herring since hybrids are not a species and therefore not relevant to this discussion.

    Considering that you're replying to your own statement here, maybe you want to try again.
     
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    You're forgetting that I've said they are a species.
    It doesn't matter.

    When you're ready to discuss evolution instead of splitting hairs let us know.
     
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    If the definition of a species is the ability to exchange genes with other similar organisms, then how can sterile hybrids like mules be a species?
     
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