If evolution is true, then obviously "Jesus" is not real.

Yes.

And, the "evolution started after Noah" thing is about as silly as one can get. It requires there to be large numbers of years of NO evolution and then a stupendous explosion of new species over a period of time that is just plain too short.

But, when the objective is to justify ones conclusion (the opposite of science), all sorts of BS starts springing up.

 

Its a ridiculous story that was borrowed from the Babylonians.. The king of Sumer sold beer, grain and livestock and hauled it down river on barges... A 4 day flood on the Euphrates flooded the river basin .. 150 miles wide and 350 south towards the Persian Gulf in 2900 BC.

Its documented in thousands of clay tablets that are a thousand years older than Genesis.

Noah's Ark is a great story, but its not history... I think the epic is more important to some 'Christians' than the message.

 

Except there are over 62,000 species of vertebrates alone, plus about 300,000 species of plants and 1,300,000 species of invertebrates. Even assuming an average about the size of a sheep, that doesn't leave much room for the boat's structure, space to move around, the food needed to sustain them for about a year, not to mention the refuse they would produce.

 

An animal kind, which is what two of each were brought to the ark (a few more of a few kinds) are not species. An animal kind is generally at what we today call the animal family, in other words they can breed and variations will bring forth the species.

 

And all of the marsupials somehow migrated to the same part of the world, most crossing the Pacific Ocean to end up in Australia.

 

Correction: "John Woodmorappe in his technical bookNoah’s Ark: A Feasibility Study.4 For the sake of argument, he chose the taxonomic rank just above the species—the genus. On this basis, he estimated that approximately 16,000 terrestrial vertebrate animals (consisting of nearly 8,000 genera of reptiles, mammals, and birds) were on board. However, Woodmorappe considered this a deliberate and huge overestimation, since he suspected that the “kind” was broader than the genus.5 Newer studies have indicated that “kinds” were generally at the level of family.6..."the current estimate of living and extinct vertebrate families is about 950. While we will continue to evaluate these families to see if they should be split up or combined with other families for our final estimate of the “kinds,” 950 families is a good approximation. Given that most animals were brought onto the Ark by twos, while “clean” birds and mammals were brought by sevens, this means that Noah cared for approximately two thousand land-dwelling vertebrate animals."

 

Over a land bridge. You've heard of the land bridge before, haven't you? Look at a world map which shows the topography above and below sea level.

 

You mean those land bridges that existed 100 million years ago??

The pyramids are 5,000 years old and have never been flooded... so when do you claim Noah's flood happened? If the earth is 6,000 years old, in the period of 1000 years the dinosaurs came and went, the earth was flooded over the tops of the highest mountains and the pyramids were built..

There is NO legit scientist.. archeologist, vulcanologist, geologist who believes the Bible stories are literal or that the earth is 6,000 years old. Woodmorappe is a crackpot.

 

Right. That's the claim.

It supposes that all the species we see today evolved from this limited set of "kinds" that remained after Noah, and evolved within a time period that is just plain far too short.

And, it begs the question of what was going on before Noah. If there WAS evolution prior to Noah, surely it was progressing at the same speed as evolution AFTER Noah. So, what was it that God created? And, whatever that was, surely evolution would have created huge numbers of species that died off at the time of Noah's flood - and that doesn't match the evidence we see today.


The problem here is that this approach is anti-science. It is an exercise in forming a conclusion and then trying to guess what could possibly allow that conclusion to be true - exactly backwards.

And, I would claim that Christianity does NOT depend on the Noah story being interpreted as it is by these Christian fundamentalists.

 

Or, it was necessary to pretend to believe in order to prosper in a society that was intolerant of atheists and agnostics.

 

It amazes me that you and your fellow 'believers' can't see your own hypocrisy. There is no, zero, nada, nix proof there ever was anything resembling any animal kind changing into another animal kind. A Crocodile egg does not hatch a chicken.

 

No one made such a claim...

 

Spock?

 

Except for the parts about seed-bearing plants existing before animals, and women being made from man's rib, and a global flood.

So instead of six pairs of bears (black, brown, polar, Asiatic, sloth, and spectacled) and a pair of Pandas, Noah only took one pair. And how long did it take for that one pair to produce the seven different species of bear we see today? 100 years? 1,000 years?

Way to miss the point there, NaturalBorn.

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Religious people, please realize the following:
Genesis is a lie
Adam/Eve is a lie
A talking snake is a lie
A talking donkey (etc., etc., etc.) is a lie
....so of course a magic zombie who will return to earth giving you an after-life is also a lie. A lie meant to control you.

 

Of course there is! Haven't you seen the werewolf movies. And I have seen the vampires turn into bats on the television. What more proof could you desire.

 

Oh, okay. Now I understand. Your exquisite treatise above was so persuasive I'll now believe in the same religion as you believe. Thanks for that dissertation.

 

I'm a bit suspicious that NaturalBorn is actually, secretly, Kirk Cameron, who is a the world's biggest "Crocoduck" advocate. Kirk's latest "film" is the lowest rated film in IMDB history, even lower than Paris Hilton's worst flick. I guess Kirk's many many prayers to "Jesus" aren't working out so well.
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/12/...ristmas-is-imdbs-worst-ranked-movie/21004314/

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We don't believe in religion, we believe in reality.

 

the science of volcanos.. also spelled volcanology.

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the science of volcanos.. also spelled volcanology.

 

Please realize that if evolution is true, then your entire personal belief system is a complete lie.

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Hehe.....

 

What scientific evidence is there to support the religious belief in evolution? What one fact has been produced to definitely prove that a.) the whole universe began as an explosion of nothing? b.) that all the chemical elements evolved from the hydrogen created from this explosion? c.) that life was spontaneously generated from mud at the bottom of a watery pool? d.) that a single celled organism decided one day to evolve into a turtle and the turtle later though it would be grand to evolve into a man?

Just one, irrefutable scientific evidence. Just one.

Now what I will get as answers: a.) well yeah, your god sucks b.) no you prove god is real first c.) ALL the real scientists agree and your scientists aren't REAL scientists d.) it is the only explanation that is possible e.) the stars are so far away d.) some verse in the Bible uses a word I (or originstalk.org) interprets that jesus whipped slaves e.) you suck d.).........

But, never any answer to my questions. You got nothin' so you must resort to insults and evasion of the dozens of questions or scientific evidences I have presented. I will wait for someone to offer an intelligent answer, until then you all can play with yourselves.

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Ditto!

 

AND I'll burn in hell because Jesus hates, and hates, and hates. If "hell" is real, then god/Jesus are the most hateful entities of all time, since they won't abolish it by just (allegedly) snapping their finger.

BTW, evolution doesn't necessarily fully explain how life BEGAN, just how it developed.

 

Jesus approved of Adam/Eve, so Jesus is in the same category as NaturalBorn.

Dawkins or Jesus....one of them is DEAD wrong.
If Jesus is wrong, then he's the biggest perpetrator of the biggest lie in human history (Christianity)....making him about the worst person ever.....so if evolution is TRUE, then Jesus is arguably the worst person ever.

 

If this is your idea of evolution, then I can understand why you are so confused.

 

Cosmic evolution - chemical evolution - living organism evolution. You have to have all three or it doesn't work.

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