If evolution is true, then obviously "Jesus" is not real.

No need for apologies.

 

It's not evolution that changes into another species. There is no evidence of
that happening.

 

Not true. Yes they can breed with other groups but they can't breed within
the new group because the males are sterile. The fertile females must breed
with the original group that brings the new female's species back where it
started.

There, now you know that I clearly understand the question.

 

No, you clearly don't understand the question. It has nothing to do with hybrids. Let's try this one more time.

If two groups can reproduce within their respective groups, but not with each other (not even to create hybrids), per the definition you agreed with they would be different species. If there was evidence that these two groups were at one time the same species, would that not be evidence of evolution?

 

Maybe I'm not understanding exactly what you mean by that, as your first sentence isn't very clear.

But, be assured that we watch new species come about in real time. That is, a population will divide into two groups that can not ever interbreed, and then those two groups can develop additional differences over time. Some species have short periods between birth and reproduction, so a lab can actually record the whole process.

It's not really even that big a deal, and it happens by a number of different mechanisms.

I don't know where it got started that creation of a new species was impossible. Surely that was someone's ancient religious belief, as it certainly doesn't come from science.

 

I think this is just one of the confusions that come about when one tries to apply science to God.

Since God is absolutely all powerful and all knowing, science can't fool Him into revealing whether He exists. There can't possibly exist an experiment that would tell us whether there is or is not a God.

 

Nonsense. If evolution is true (which it is), it just means that some common interpretations (made by man) of Genesis are mistaken.

We do not know how much of the Genesis creation story is allegory, and Christianity does NOT depend on whether the Genesis creation story is allegory. In fact, there are two creation stories in Genesis and they are not identical. That should be taken as a serious clue that they allegories.

And, that has no implication on other parts of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. Mistakes in our interpretations of those works doesn't prove the works were wrong - it's at least as likely that WE were wrong in our interpretations.

I tend to see religion as a man made construct, but it certainly isn't because of someone's dogmatism concerning interpretation of Genesis.

 

"That should be taken as a serious clue that they" are NONSENSE!

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Too bad there's not some all-knowing entity who cares about us enough to have cleared this up for us in the last 3500 years.

 

If he cared about us enough to see that way fewer people go to "hell", then he'd simply prove he exists to a jury-level (no need to trample on "free will" - just EDUCATE us that he's real by providing jury-level of evidence.) He hasn't done that, and neither has bigfoot, or Santa, or Yeti, or The Grinch, or Zeus, or Allah, because he's not actually real.
I would provide said proof to my "children", if I had that power, because of course I care about humanity more than said invisible friend in the sky does.

 

You should do more research before you make such claims. In the Rice and Salt Drosophila melanogaster experiment from 1990, there were no members of the original group for them to breed with. They were separated into two groups and completely able to propagate on their own without any cross breeding. It was the eventual inability to cross breed them that showed evolution had occurred.

 

Does it seem strange that someone, anyone could argue so vehemently against a person or being they claim they believe does not exists?

Isn't there some psychological diagnosis for a person with this disorder? Maybe a form of Schizophrenia?

I suggest if you fit into this category, seek medical help immediately. Then call 1-800-REALITY

 

Now this is what a troll looks like.

 

Thanks for outing yourself. We all knew that already though.

 

I admire your creativity (you and Moses/Mohammad are quite creative.)

Your (snipped) reply above is exactly MY answer to THIS question: "why do intelligent people believe in immoral, magic, psycho, invisible men in the sky?"!
Great minds think alike!

INVISIBLE MEN IN THE SKY ARE NOT REAL. "Reality" (1-800-REALITY) and "invisible men" don't belong in the same sentence! (Except, uh, maybe in the sentence "people who believe in invisible men have lost touch with reality".)

 

History is rife with very intelligent people of faith. Why don't you believe as millions of people who are/have been more intelligent and successful than you believe?

 

Yes, and just think how much GREATER they could have been if they were in touch with reality instead of thinking that some magic man in the sky controlled everything.
Back in the day, if a thinking person said they didn't believe in the magic man then they were often ostracized, or disowned by some friends/family, or even tortured, or even killed.
So we'll never know how many more great people there COULD HAVE BEEN!
So we'll never know how many great people could have DONE MORE!

 

There is another really weird model that can be seen at at least one of the relatively famous "Creationist Museums".

The story is that at the time of Noah there were only the basic species created by God! That is, God created a fairly small number of "root" species to kick off life on earth, and evolution took it from there. Humans would be one root species, so Believers can allow for evolution without evolution applying to humans, plus they can argue there was enough room on the ark for two of each of the root species.

What's amazing to me is that nothing about the subject of evolution needs to be seen as countering the existence of God. These crazy religious views seem to come about merely to defend what various believers think is allegory and what they think is NOT allegory. The existence of God, the prescription for getting to heaven (either the OT version or the very different NT version), etc. don't depend on the creation story or the Noah story being literal.

 

He raves on about "Reality" and he and his peers cannot even provide an adequate and irrefutable definition of 'objective reality'. Amazing.

 

It's always confused my how the same people who deny evolution can also claim that every organism we see today is descended from what Noah could fit in a boat 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide, and 30 cubits high only 4,000 years ago.

 

Yes, they just been discovered. Have you looked into where the majority of those
species were found?

Not true, the fossil record doesn't not support the former. If it did you'd have provided
evidence. Care to do so?

 

Those dimensions equate to 525 railroad cars, and the average size of the 20,000 ?+/-) full grow breathing animal kinds is about the size of a sheep. Of course, juveniles would occupy less space. The volume is adequate.

BTW, that is a train over 6 miles long.

 

The Genesis account has not been refuted by any scientific facts (see the definition of fact in my sig line). Just as evolutionists can postulate how everything is as it is ,Biblical Creationists can take scientific discoveries and can deduce an explanation that fits the discovery. Evolutionists almost always will revise their doctrine to fit the discovery. Huge difference between the two 'theories'.