If Gays want to Marry.....

you don't have to have sex to reproduce

 

like he said.......demonstrably false.

you don't have to have sex to reproduce.

 

why do you keep dodging? all you need to do is prove the existence of your god.


you aren't fooling anyone

 

two statements

I would suggest that the latter is an example of the former.

 

I think a little science has to be included somewhere in this thread.

 

Wait...it's not a mistake anyone can make?

I could wade through this multipage strawman thread, but why? It'll be predictable and early comments are the best!

 

But that wouldn't be as fun!

 

I take it you work for MSNBC, the way you chopped up my post so that it lost its meaning.

I said: There is no such thing as "medical proof" regarding psychological issues. Its not like surgery where you can hold a liver or kidney in your hand and see a defect. Its all pure opinion. And as I said, the most base instinct of any species is to procreate, so if a human being has an aversion to copulation with the opposite sex, its plain and clear that is disordered.

Now, comment on that.

And while you're at at it, comment on my main post:

 

In your church, maybe. Fortunately there's this thing called freedom of religion and the rest of us can ignore this insanity.

I'm guessing no one on this board lives in a theocracy; most modern theocracies have little internet access. Since marriage is a civil/legal contract, religious arguments against gay marriage are pretty much dead.

You're religion doesn't approve? Well, your church doesn't have to do it. But other churches will. And your church will live with the PR blowback proving your "faith" is medieval relic of power hunger control freaks and irrelevant in the modern world.

Have fun with that.

 

You said there is no such ting as medical proof regarding psychological issues and that, without that "proof", any such diagnosis is "all pure opinion". I get that completely and I agree with it wholeheartedly. So... if someone wants to say that having feelings that would make sexual attraction to the same gender a "disorder", that is, as you stated, "pure opinion".

as for the rest of your post which quotes catholic church doctrine... that's groovy for catholics. Those of us who AREN'T catholics could give a big rat's rectum what the mackerel snappers have to say about anything. mmmmkay? Until this country is a catholic theocracy, those "pure opinions" of yours don't mean diddly. If I were a gay catholic, I'd flip that church the bird and go to any number of Christian denominations that would welcome me with open arms.

 

The fact that thoughts like these are common is the reason it's over for the US. With people like this we're doomed to mediocrity.

 

I never said that you desired for homosexuals to be mistreated, nor does your dislike of them mean you cannot stand to be around them. You clearly, based on your posts in this thread and others, don't have a very high opinion with them, as you've plainly said you consider them to be abnormal, possessing psychological disorders. My point is, just because you aren't calling for them to be mistreated does not mean you don't have a low opinion of them and think poorly of them, because you do, and it comes across in the way you talk about them on this forum. That's my opinion, not a fact, just so we're clear.

Are people who simply don't ever want kids also suffering from a disorder, or is it only if you're attracted romantically and physically to the same sex?

 

God (whichever one or ones you are), please don't let someone like Heretic in control of the U.S. government. I don't care. I will stop having sex for the rest of my life if that's what it takes. I'll marry a monkey. Anything!


...well, anything but the sex part. I'll still marry a monkey though! I'll even have sex with Betty White!

Just don't let him have any sort of power in this country D:

 

Homosexuality is just as inherent in nature as heterosexuality.

So technically, homosexuality is just as natural as heterosexuality.

 

Why? It's not like I DO anything. All I do is repeat a catchphrase: Sex for procreation is GOOD in the eyes of GOD. Why is this so threatening, to you?

It's because it exposes your deeper, Satanic nature, doesn't it??? You were never accountable for yourself, and responsible as a HUMAN BEING, until you met me, were you???

 

It's not threatening. I just can't bear the thought of extremist idiots in charge of the country I love. It would be like voting for Ahmadinejad or Osama bin-Laden, except I think they might ACTUALLY be less extremist.

Seriously?

 

Why are you so opposed to sex for strictly procreational purposes???

It's because you flee from God, isn't it??? What I'm saying goes against your very nature, your very soul. It's amazing how deeply a few words can affect somebody with a very, very specific liberal ideology.

 

Because it's silly and boring?

No, I embrace god. I just embrace a different god than you do. This is my guy:



Old Odin One-Eye. I'm also a fan of Thor, god of Thunder.



(Yes, I know, that's comic book version of Thor, but I literally could not find any other version ._.)

For once, you are 100% correct. Though not, I suspect, in the way you think.

Nothing to do with being a liberal, actually. Even when I was a conservative, I loved debauchery

 

That is a false statement I have heard many times.

First: What is "natural" for some species is not natural for others. One could say that it is natural for a female to lay an egg and sit on it until it hatches. Sure, its natural if you're a chicken, but not if your a human.

Second: Some desires can be "natural" and still be wrong. Alcoholics naturally desire to get drunk. But do we encourage their proclivities? No, quite the opposite: We tell them to seek help. Kleptomanicas naturally desire to steal. But do we encourage their proclivities? No, quite the opposite: We tell them to seek help.

 

And against the scriptures that you have rejected.
It really isn't just your repeating mantra about sex that has turned every single person you have met on here against you. It is your hatefulness, your anti-semitism, your racism, your inconsistencies, your logical challenges, your fallacies. In short, your arrogant idiocy.
But you are entertaining and do a great job making everyone else feel very, very good about themselves.
Is that really your mission? Sacrifice any hope of self respect so others can feel empowered about themselves? Be such a caricature of a Christian that you will make the pitfalls of the faith grossly apparent, steering people of good will away from these threats?
Your self sacrifice is beautiful!

 

Your examples have very negative consequences for those that are burdened by them, yet you think two people who love each other and wish to be together is an equivalent affliction. I feel very sorry for your evaluation of these people. The world needs more love, not less, and to stand in the way of it seems a greater sin than gay sex will ever be.

 

There is your first error. That is not love, it is a symptom of a disordered desire.
If an alcoholic gets drunk, he thinks he feels good. But in fact the feeling is a deception because he is actually feeling a reaction from toxins.

The world needs authentic love, not a perversion disgised as love.

 

But the alcoholic is going to experience physical harm from their behavior. No such comparison can be made with gay people.
All you are doing is showing that you personally find them icky, but have given no data or evidence that they do not demonstrate authentic love.

 

you will need to prove the existence of your god, before you can assert he has fled from it.

 

I'm not inconsistent.

You were being dishonest about my position. You were trying to trick me, saying ALL sex for pleasure was "evil"......but what did I say consistently???

Sex for PLEASURE is SIN.
And SIN GENERALLY is evil.

Logically this means there may be areas of sex for pleasure where sex is NOT evil......and there is. It's called sex for procreation. Sex for procreation, as God ordained, allows pleasure in its fullest potential. Sex is most pleasurable when your goal is ordained by God, and your beget your sons and daughter in His name. That's also the irony of why people scream His nickname while having sex. But the nature of SIN is too obvious to deny. Sex, for the pure sake of pleasure and pleasure alone, without procreation, is SIN, and SIN generally is evil. There are levels of sin, I'm pretty sure of this, but I need to ask God just to make complete certain.....

Some SIN is worse than others. Having sex with your wife, getting a BJ, after you have been married in a house of GOD, and a virgin Christian bride is married to a Christian man, and the marriage has been consummated, and they just want to "have some fun" with each other...........this may be EVIL, just as a young child can steal a cookie from the cookie jar, but it is NOT on par with rapes, or theft, or murder, or homosexual butt sex.

I don't like to imagine what "GOD would do", because I am so finite and pathetic and weak compared to Him.........BUT, I imagine God is going to smite all the other SINNERS down deep into Hell, before He ever got to a pair of lovely young TRUE Christians, whose wife gave him a BJ after their marriage had been consummated in a house of GOD. Who knows these things? Not me, not you, so SHUT UP!!!!!!