if not God then who/what?

Prove it.

You guys can change the packaging all you want. Whether it is Darwinism or abiogenesis or whatever the latest remix is from you guys. It's all been shot down. Now I understand that you guys love to throw around terminology and verbiage that sounds impressive. But it fails to hold up under scrutiny. How many times has the science community switched horses in an attempt to dismiss creation and have failed? Keep trying.

 

"What they told us" is the agreed taxonomic classification, which is in itself arbitrary, not objective, and therefore cannot actually be 'false'. Now, you may argue that humans should not be classified as apes, and that would be a valid position to take, but it is wilfully ignorant not to recognise that, at present, they ARE classified as such.

 

It's a bit like asking, "If you don't smoke crack, then what kind of cocaine DO you take?"

 

You're the one with something to prove here. Is your faith that fragile that it cannot withstand honest questioning? And while science has improved on Evolution since Darwin first proposed it 150 years ago, it is creationism that keeps redefining itself and failing.

 

So, Kurtz, did you ever get around to backing up your claims that out of all the things I have posted, "all of it" was wrong? Or was this just another dead-end where you gave up debating me because I have caught you out again?

 

Ah yes! A group of believers got together in their laboratories and concluded that they were right and made the classification a standard... a standard that has been pushed down the throats of all people who have neither the time, money, or equipment with which to refute those claims. Then the politicians are sought out to implement such a standard in the educational system, then particular churches (through the use of the 501c3 contract) are informed that they need to position themselves toward political correctness. Now comes the stigma of being "wilfully ignorant" should one take a stand against such a regime that mandates the acceptance of an ideology.

 

What a croc of (*)(*)(*)(*).

Human Chromosome 2 links Humans, Chimpanzees, Orangutans and Gorillas together - the Great Ape family.

DNA links us together. There is no politics, laboratories, or any other nonsense that you claim, involved. Its simply genetics.

So yes, "willfully ignorant" is the proper term for such an asinine response to Prof_Sarcastic post.

 

No politics, no laboratories... well where were the genetics research conducted ???? in a private garage? Who put up the money for such experiments... the largest percentage was tax payer dollars. Open your eyes and smell the roses.... never mind... you would PROBABLY smell a "croc of (*)(*)(*)(*). " But if we were to transitiion to the subject of gay and lesbian rights, you would be the first to object to the political involvement of Christians in passing laws that prohibit such conduct.

 

Let me translate: NO Creationist group has EVER had a argument to counter Human Chromosome 2 (in fact, this EVIDENCE held up in court (See Kitzmiller v. Dover)), instead, all I can do is whine, cry and complain about experiments and politics in the vain hopes that someone will listen to me. I can also toss Red Herrings about homosexuality, because that is the favorite sector we religious like to target to take the spotlight away from us.


Speak of rights, you yourself have screamed about the 1st amendment right and your freedom of religion. Such hypocrisy to bring up rights when you do the same dam thing.

This may be your most pathetic attempt in this forum.

 

Creationists have no need to counter any arguments presented by people such as you. We involve ourselves for the sake of having some entertainment. Pathetic? All of your postings have been pathetic attempts.

 

Let me translate: We cannot counter arguments, so will we simply claim there is no need too.

Chromosome 2 (human)

Undeniable proof (which as held up in a court of law (See Kitzmiller v. Dover)), which no creationist has EVER encountered.

Evidence that links humans, Orangutans, Gorillas and Chimpanzees into the Great Ape Family.

 

Celera Genomics was founded by Craig Venter specifically to map the human genome cheaper and faster than the NIH project, and they did.

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/291/5507/1304

 

https://www.celera.com/celera/history
Yeppir! Another big corporation in league with the Coporate State. A big commercial operation.

 

Do you know what an Endogenous Retroviral (ERV) is?

 

I do now: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endogenous_retrovirus (at least I have a working idea).

 

If we found the genetic marker for a particular ERV at the same location in the DNA of two individuals, would it be reasonable to assume that either the virus inserted itself at the same location in both individuals or they both inherited it from a common ancestor?

 

Are you suggesting that this ERV is the "what" mentioned in the title of this thread?

 

No, I'm presenting evidence against creationism. So are you willing to follow along and possibly learn something, or run away like iamkurtz?

 

What you are presenting is opinion. If you suggest that the ERV or any subset of entities derived from or following the imprint of the ERV is an evidence against creationism, then I must confront you head on with the Question "Where did the ERV come from?" Now you should know where that question will lead.

 

One step at a time, Incorporeal. Now, would identical ERV loci be evidence of a common ancestor?

 

Go ahead and run your rant. I will read, analyze, and will later conclude. As for your question above, it seems that you are desiring me to respond to your surreptitious line of questions. Well, you are attempting to convince me (to compel my mind) that you are correct, so go ahead and spill your bowl of soup and I will let you know what I think about the mess you have made.

 

Exactly. its nonsensical - just like half of this guy's responses as well.

 

Ad hominem

 

"people such as you" is an ad hominem? How so?

 

While I appreciate the point you are trying to make, that is definitely not how it actually happened. Those guys are zoologists, not the illuminati.

Read it again. I quite clearly said that it's fine to disagree with the classification. What is wilfully ignorant is not recognising that it IS the current classification.