"If Obama is hesitating on the matter of Syria, then clearly on ...attacking Iran..."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/01/us-syria-crisis-israel-idUSBRE98005220130901

Army Radio, a major Israeli broadcaster, quoted an unnamed government official in far less elliptical terms.

"If Obama is hesitating on the matter of Syria, then clearly on the question of attacking Iran - a move that is expected to be far more complicated - Obama will hesitate much more, and thus the chances Israel will have to act alone have increased."




"There is no analogy here. In Iran the enemy is clear, the objective is clear and what has to be done is clear," he said. "It would illusory to think that if Obama does not make good the commitment he made to lob a few Tomahawks at Syria that is a sign that in Iran, too, he will not do what is required."




So israel is definitely looking forward to 'war' on more fronts that just syria.


Was there really a doubt as to why Israel is supplying the 'intelligence' on syria, but does not see the humanitarian aspect of 'going it alone'?



.how many have observed the blowing of the 'horn' (shafor) on tv?

 

This administration is never going to attack Iran. President Jarrett would never allow it.

 

Are you basically claiming some guy that seems like the "Glenn Beck" of Israel, speaks for the entire country?

 

Perhaps this mysterious government official is merely pointing out Obama will leave Israel hanging if our ally needs help.

Not sure that's really new news.

 

Speaking of Iran I think it's time for a diplomatic reset. After all, they DO have a new government elected in since August of this year (2013). Maybe it's time to see if we can work with them again on the nuclear issue.

The feud with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is over, he is gone from the leadership of Iran. It's crazy talk to continue the feud with Iran like nothing has changed without considering these recent elections.

 

Yes Israel is preparing for war against Iran, especially considering Iran has placed thousands of rockets in a perimeter that almost encircles Israel, and has fired 10,000's of those rockets over the past couple of decades into Israel. Iran has facilitated the movement of arms and terrorists used to kill UN personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan for a decade now. Iran has thousands of sea mines pumping out of factories on the coast of the Persian Gulf right next to the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow pathway in which the world's oil flows daily. Without this daily flow of oil through this straight, it is true that the world powers would suffer significantly. But it also without a doubt, that without the daily flow of oil to developing and/or not so rich countries, those countries would experience starvation and poverty of epic proportions. So yeah, I'd say Israel and the US, as well as most of the world, would be complete fools to not be preparing for a confrontation with Iran, a confrontation the Iranian govt has been orchestrating since 1979.

 

That's a cut and paste quote, the broadcaster name is Razi Barkai and he said that in case the Iranians will continue the race to a nuke then the US will not attack them in any case. the first part of the quote was missing.


As you were...

 

ROFL.....ROFL....Oh wait, you were serious. And where did you get these false facts surrounding the Perisan Empire?

http://www.fouman.com/Y/Get_Iranian_History_Today.php?artid=68

And yet, ironically it was the Anglo-Saxon(Allied) forces who invaded a neutral nation.

http://libwww.freelibrary.org/onebook/obop10/Persepolis_timeline.pdf

This gives an even more detailed view of the events, that this "problem" has existed since at least I was born(1992), Netanyahu then was prime minister as well, and complaining. If we are to be literate, this is a 21 year "problem". Along the way, despite the sanctions and INTL.Pressure, Iran has not acted aggressively in the region.

(One can also doubt the claims that Iran is arming terrorist groups, for if that were the case surely the Allied Powers would jump on it)

http://www.parstimes.com/library/brief_history_of_persian_empire.html

In fact the Persian State was among the more friendly ones to the Jewish. Which, as we see with Zionist expansion and threats and extortions for not being the sole nuclear power in the M.E isn't worth much.

Indeed, if I had to choose between the two radical fractions of the M.E, I would sooner align myself with the Iranian/Persian Empire.

 

I'm sure they could dust off that old Russian reset button. That worked pretty well.

 

When (not if) the US attacks Syria, there will almost certainly be proxy hostilities between Israel and Iran, and when any one of those hostilities is "proven" to by perpetrated by Iran against Israel, the tihs is gonna hit the fan... it won't be mission creep, it'll be mission leap, as the rationalization of striking Syria with no evidence of aggression toward any other nation would have been far surpassed in an instance of Iranian action against a US ally.


Overthrow of the Assad regime and institution of a government friendly to western interests is a forgone conclusion since it's a strategic necessity. The US has to have allied control of ALL states bordering the Mediterranean in order to create a choke points of possible ports that facilitate over-land exportation of Africa's resources to Iran because of nuclear raw materials, (and a lesser motivation, have the ability to halt African exports to China and Russia in order to slow their economic growth and global influence.) Currently, the only thing that stands between Iran and Syria is northern Iraq which is even more tumultuous than Iraq in general due to Kurdish separatists. The added incentive of provoking Iran to act in a way that be construed as act of war will be far too tantalizing for the American Empire to pass up. That's why the whole "red line" speech was given in the first place.

 

Given the enough reason and justification,
like hurling atomic tipped projectiles towards it's neighbors,
I think will give enough leverage.

 

Iran has the ability to make Israel vanish from the map without even using nukes also they hold a tiny part of Kurdish lands in difference with Syria and Turkey .

 

and vice versa, but the US backs Israel from right next to them both in the Mediterranean and has the most devastating first strike (non-nuclear) capabilities of all of them. As soon as a significant launch by Iran against Israel was detected, Iran would be turned into a crater with US MOABs. Once this particular US-Syria action has kicked off (which it will, I have no doubt,) the Middle East is going to have a very different topography, I imagine.

I wasn't aware of that. The political maps just show the border between turkey and Iraq, and I always hear about the Kurds wanting the region to be an independent Kurdish nation. I never realized Iran had laid claim to it as well. That makes it all the more unstable and more easily used as an overland route for African fissionable materials to make their way to Iran, and more of a reason for the US to install a puppet regime in Syria. I think its pretty much inevitable at this point.

BTW, that signature quote is perfectly descriptive. I've thought similar things so many times but never as concisely or eloquently.

 

Actually both the government and people of Israel are split on this issue. Syria has been less of an enemy of Israel than many others over the last several decades. Syria and Israel have had both quiet and open negotiations over time. There is no good solution for Israel in this fight so it is not so cut and dried. The beauty and horror of Israeli politics is that everyone is a independent voice. Quoting one person does not mean they are speaking for the government. Also it is a shofar and blown for the coming High Holy Days.

 

Iran is 4 times bigger than Iraq and it also possesses Russian equipment specifically designed to kill Americans . The chat over craters is fun but that escalation will bring everyone down pretty quickly .

Ths US is heavily investing in Iraqi Kurdistan while Syrian Kurds have virtually won their civil war with their national flags waving over their cities .
I have the feeling that the Kurds are the joker and we will have to wait and see who will play them right.

(Kurdistan makes 10% of Syrian soil)

 

Seemed that Haaretz, the Jerusalem Post, and the Associated Press have been strangely silent on Israel's reaction to Obama's decision. This article in Haaretz, below, may be why. Sorry if it is old news to you.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.544753

 

what makes you think Saudi will still be happy with infidel shia walking around ? Iraq Syria Bahrain Iran

 

in the US, the last I heard less than 15% support attacking syria. The israel 'split' means you have a greater ratio for a war than the USA.

And the israelis anexed their golan heights.

ie... syrians, will think before killing their own civilians, but the israeli intelligence (oxymoron of terms) has fed the american leadership, with crap that they intercepted PROOF that assads people did it.

The IDF are cowards.

I bet everything Assad has will be fired at israel, if the USA attacked syria.

So likewise there is No GOOD reason for the USA to attacke syria.

And I DO NOT like the zionist pukes of israel.

So no one has to listen to Obama?

Perhaps the soldiers can tell Obama that they do not want to go to war?

Im here, so there must be something up.

What i cracked up on was the biblical claim of Rev 9;1 (the month/day) of the horn blow

And the fifth messenger did sound, and I saw a star out of the heaven having fallen to the earth, and there was given to it the key of the pit of the abyss

 

Oil and Gas in the Golan Heights ......................... not Iran at all. We are being decoyed. Same old same old.

Israel has sold the exclusive rights to a NY firm as they have the Gas off the coast of Palestine to British Gas.

 

Just wondering when those of you who complain about the US and the West trying to secure oil in the region will realize that it is in the world's interest at this point to secure that oil. Leaders around the world have set up societies that depend on this resource, and without it, or with a serious cut to the flow coming out of the Middle East, developing countries especially will be hit hard. Possibly causing widespread famine. Oil = food nowadays, for everyone, and it doesn't make sense to try and make the West feel shameful for trying to control the flow of it. And I suspect the fight for oil goes even further, in that this whole green energy drive by various world leaders has nothing to do with the environment, and everything to do with their realization that the first country that can feed its people and machines without need of militarily securing the Middle East will be the next dominant world power. The US is making great strides to become energy independent. But that won't matter if many developing countries (and some developed) still depend on Middle Eastern oil to keep their societies from starving, or at a minimum economic collapse. The importance of oil, and how our leaders have put their eggs in one basket in reference to it, is seen regularly in gas shortages, even in the US. Take a look most recently at the aftereffects of Superstorm Sandy. Many citizens were willing to stand in line for 2-8 hrs for this liquid, in huge lines, for about 2 weeks after the storm. Think about that from the perspective of the human work lost from all those people standing in line for this liquid gold, and you will see what I mean by "eggs in one basket" in regard to how modern world society is set up. So again, it makes no sense to denounce nations that are trying to ensure the flow of oil remains as smooth and inefficient as possible coming out of that Persian Gulf. What peoples around the world should be pissed about are those who want an inefficient flow of oil out of the Middle East, by turning the US and the West into devils, painting them to be evil (an age old trick to gain power in vacuums or bad societal conditions), and by sponsoring terrorists with the specific goal of making that oil flow inefficient through attacks on pipelines, oil tanker piracy, burning oil wells when one's nation is invaded, and in general causing instability in the region. When trucks can't deliver food to grocery stores around the world, it's not going to be too difficult to convince those peoples that the US and its capitalist methods are what propelled the world into the 21st century, and unless you want a mass die off from starvation and a return to the 19th century or before, you better be on board with us, and not with criminals intent on disruption of society, because some perversion of their religion tells them that they have the right to dictate business and economics through terror.

 

Invest in Solar and no nothing is worth War, fair trade will do it.

 

There is no scenario, short of an Iraqi style invasion and occupation, that would deliver a government friendly to western interests. The viable choices are bad and worse. Since I'm pretty sure that there is a less than zero chance that Obama has that intention, I don't see your scenario playing out.

But speaking of Iraq, guess who made this statement?

"If we choose to live in a world where a thug and a murderer like [bad guy's name redacted] can gas thousands of his own people with impunity, even after the United States and our allies said no, and then the world does nothing about it, there will be no end to the test of our resolve and the dangers that will flow from those others who believe that they can do as they will,"

Was it:

George W Bush?
Dick Cheney?
Colin Powell?
John Kerry?

 

mining gas is the reason?

 

The sad thing is that we used to be fairly close allies with Iran up till the 50s. Even today the majority of Iranians actually like the US especially the younger ones. That being said, Obama is a foreign policy disaster. He missed an opportunity with the Green Revolution which was a revolution by people sympathetic to the West. Obama then tried to make up for it in Egypt and Libya and ended up backing elements of Muslim radical movements in the process. He is now essentially doing the same thing in Syria. I do want a diplomatic reset with Iran but I don't want Obama anywhere near that table. Just wait till the next President is in office.

 

Oil and Gas in Golan Heights, The Israelis have sold exclusive rights in Southern Golan Heights to a subsidiary company of Genie Energy.


They sold the Gas off the coast of Palestine to British Gas.