If "Our Creator" endowed us with rights...

What is silly is that you don't back up any of these claims. No evidence ojective rights exist. No evidence a creator makes rights. No evidence a creator can endow them. No evidence of what these rights even are.

 

I must have misinterpreted your previous posts. I thought you did believe in God given rights. But it looks like we actually agree that they aren't.

 

Really?

The prove the existence of a creator AND then prove that creator endowed you with "rights.

Go ahead. Dazzle us with your brilliance or baffle us with your bullshit.

Your choice.

 

A good question.

Rights are a fairly modern idea.

Ask a Roman citizen back when what his rights are and he would not know what you are talking about.

Rights are a worthless issue unless their is someone there to enforce your rights being taken away by someone else.

Think of the right to life for an embryo and see that without someone there to force the woman to bear it, rights to it mean absolutely nothing.

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DL

 

That is not possible given that it would mean there was something wrong with the first.

Scriptures also say that once god says something, he never takes it back.

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I like your thinking in your post above.

Rights aside, since we agree on them ----- have you come up with any objective moral tenets in your thinking?

I see almost all moral tenets as subjective with only 2 exceptions.

I will not divulge them till you reply. Not to play games with you, but because I want to see if you have anything I have yet to think of and do not want you to just argue against my two tenets. We can do that after if you disagree with my selected 2.

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DL

 

It's an expression, encompasing the ideas of born with, natural, unalienable. Even you somehow clumsily eluded to the concept of a human right.
Imagine that.

Nobody needs to prove the existence of God to satisfy your silly little exercise in nothing.

 

I cannot agree here.

Every law a country passes is permission, and in fact, a compulsion, for the citizens to discriminate negatively agains what is likle and hopefully a minority in our countries.

Take the laws against murderers and thieves.

If you do not discriminate negatively against those sub-groups and minorities within your country, you likely stand a chance of being jailed as an accomplish to their crime.

I do agree with your view though if a minority sub group, gays for instance, are discriminated against without a just cause, the way Trump did with gays in the military. I do not want to get into politics and use what Trump did only as an example. Let's not deflect or derail the O.P. please.

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DL

 

Do you think you have the right to healthcare?

 

I am a Canadian, but does your constitution, garbage to me, not give you the mandate to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

I know it and your government go against that principle daily, but it is still a refutation of what you said.

The same situation happens in Canada, but not to the extent that you suffer in the U.S.

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DL

 

Your position can't just be finding contradictions with liberals. You are going to have back up the claims that you have that we are endowed by our creator with rights. To answer your question, objective rights aren't a thing so there is no right to healthcare. Even nations with universal healthcare don't cover everything.

 

Good thinking.

It is not surprising, given that the mainstream religions then and now are fascist ideologies and would have been rejected as worthy for any freedom loving nation.

They/we free countries should have taken the opportunity to teach our people that and outlawed fascist religions at that point in time.

It would have saved an awful lot of harm to women and gays. Our mistake has backed us up in terms of civilized system by way too many years. We have lost 2 generations to our fascist mainstream religions.

That brings a song to mind. When will they ever learn.

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DL

 

That explains, but does not justify inquisitions and jihads.

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DL

 

I do, because my government is there to enforce it for me.

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DL

 

Yes, government is strong and can do what it wants.

Did someone let fourth graders in here?

 

Admitting that one believes in the right to healthcare is an admission that one believes in the existence of some sort of endowed right, in this case endowed simply by dropping out of a uterus.

 

I don't believe in any objective morality. I'm guessing yours are right to healthcare and right to body?

 

Most liberals who believe in a right to healthcare are religious and believe in objective morality. There are very few people like me who don't believe in any God or objective morality. Other may be talking about the right to healthcare as more of a subjective right. You won't be able to logically justify a creator endowing people with rights.

 

Is see. So when someone claims a right is "god given" they're, what, crapping up stream?

I believe I did address "human rights" earlier but "human rights" are not granted by any god. They are acknowledged and agree to by men. Seems you're agreeing with me whether you realize it or not.

 

No, I didn't. Why couldn't you reply to the actual post? Shouldn't have been difficult.

 

Someone needs to read better. Endowed by your creator means given by your creator. What don't you understand about that?

Endowed means given. I'll repeat, this time more slowly: Endowed. Means. Given. Both words implies an external source . . . i.e. "given" and the opposite of inherent. All literate people understand this.

 

your parents created you

 

Could be the universe, could be mother nature.
It means you are born with it.

Who/what gives a kid the gift of music?
It's a freakin expression.

Everyone but posters on the internet who think they've come up with something completely novel, and brilliant, know this.

 

It's an expression, a colloquialism.
Is everyone that says "Oh my God" speaking to God?

 

It's not necessary.
It's a colloquialism. It means born with.