If Rap Didn't Exist, Would There Be Less Crime?

They're made by business-savvy people selling to mostly suburban kids who fantasize about gang lifestyles.

This kind of statement is impossible to separate from racism, no matter how hard you try and how sincerely you believe otherwise.
It suggests that something in the nature of blacks leads to higher levels of crime, not that the place of blacks in society and society's history toward them is responsible for their disproportionately high crime levels. It suggests that no other group could replace blacks because there are no sociological or economic factors involved.

If you rule out everything except being black as the cause for the higher crime amongst blacks, you are proposing something that can only be explained by racist theories.

Maybe you have something more nuanced, rather than intentionally provocative one-liners?

 

Oh, you misunderstand. I am a proud racist. Couldn't be happier to admit to my racist views.

What that has to do with "White-Supremacy" though is beyond me. I'm not even 100% White.

Yes, of course.

That's an excuse. Poverty has little to do with black crime.

Yes... and there's nothing wrong with racist theories as they're usually born from facts.

Usually.

Certainly.

You see, I've grown up my entire life (that's just over 30 years) in black majority neighborhoods. That makes me far more of an expert and far more qualified to speak than a jumped up liberal shouting "DAS RAYCISS!!!" because I have views that don't conform to the politically correct left.

You see, having observed black behavior for as long as I have, you tend to notice that black crime is only linked to poverty in very rare cases. There really isn't anything like getting up close and personal with blacks in their own communities. You see things that'll turn your hair pink out of shock. They actually enjoy beating, maiming and tormenting people. They are arrogant and deluded beyond belief. I had somebody come to stay with me recently. She was completely anti-racist with a love everybody type of attitude. She turned racist within 3 days of being in my neighborhood.

The morbidly high black crime rate is easy to blame on poverty. But reality tells a far different story. Sexual assaults and rapes have nothing to do with poverty, yet blacks lead the charts in sex crimes. Drive-by murders? You can't make any financial gain from those, yet America wouldn't even know what a "drive-by" was if it weren't for black "people." Perhaps blacks most significant contribution to American society? What about rich black celebrities? They're just as thuggish and criminally minded as poor blacks. The NBA and the NFL is almost solely comprised of black criminals and thugs.

Here, let me show you something.

Would you blame this on poverty? Look how much fun he's having.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWqVIdq9NH8"]CRAZY GUY SMASHING UP LADY'S PT CRUISER - YouTube[/ame]

Oh, I know... that's a rare incident, right? Things like this happen daily in most of the ghettos I've lived in.

Poverty causing black crime is leftist propaganda. There's evidence of this all around. But you're too closed minded to consider it. That's why you accused me of being a White-Supremacist because I disapprove of black crime.

 

Ah, I see. You just believe that personal anecdote is more valuable to analysis than, say, anything approximating the scientific method. After all you appear to be a human being that has evolved beyond the cognitive issues that make impartial study necessary to actually finding the truth.

Congratulations.
So long as you continue existing only in your own world, you will always be right.

 

As I said, nothing beats experience. That way you accurately make your own scientific studies if you're intellectually capable to do so.

Try it, go take a week's vacation in downtown Detroit. Then get back to us, if you're still alive.

Good luck.

 

Not all rap music is necessarily violent, although many or even most of it probably is. I think people often confuse hip-hop with rap, and mainstream with underground. But in all seriousness I think hate/violence comes from people and if mainstream rap didn't exist it would just be replaced with an equally toxic genre...

This is underground hip hop and I would be violent if I DIDN'T listen to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ScPoBEFl1Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPVO3EQyUfc

 

You don't seem to understand how science works, given your idea of "studies."

Downtown Detroit? Really? Surviving in downtown Detroit isn't difficult. Stay out of gang-infested neighborhoods and you will be as safe as in any inner city.
It's not like I haven't been there (I believe I have a state flag on my profile-- you think I've never been to a baseball game?).

Most violence occurs between people who know one another. That's even true with the gangs, though I wouldn't mess with them.
And if you look into any kind of research, you'll find there are sociological reasons for this.

But yeah, if I think about it anecdotally... in downtown Detroit I'm surrounded by crowds (for the record I have a phobia of crowds) of which a large portion are black. And none of them is any danger to me.
That's where your "theory" starts to fall apart.
Most blacks are not dangerous.
If most blacks are not dangerous, you haven't isolated whatever "gene" you seem to think causes all the violence.

 

Well, we're going to have to agree to disagree. National and international statistics, evidence and facts disagree with your "story" and I'm sure most sensible people with enough experience of majority black cities/neighborhoods will make up their own minds.

Like I say, facts, statistics and scientific evidence is all useful, but nothing beats personal experience. Not all blacks are violent or thuggish, but the poll option of If blacks didn't exist there would be less crime is certainly there for very good reason.

 

No, it is the other way around. Our welfare system and the War on Drugs has created the black culture as it is today, and rap is a product of that.

 

If ghetto crime didn't exist, rap wouldn't exist....

 

How, exactly, have drugs created the black culture as it is today?

 

Specify "Ghetto crime" please.

 

They created the subculture that white suburbanites (whose kids are the main consumers of the music) imagine black culture to be.

 

It's not drugs themselves, but the War on Drugs. Because drugs are illegal, drug dealers exist. In ghetto communities, drug dealers are the most successful people. They serve as a role model to younger people. They will think, why get a minimum wage job if I can be a drug dealer? So, the cycle continues, and the business of drug dealing is very heavily an aspect of the culture.

 

More violence through rap music.

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Yes, but not by a measurable amount.

 

There was plenty of crime before rap.

 

That's not what the question asked. Learn to read.

 

I wasn't answering the question, but making a statement. Hence, i didn't use the quote button. D'oh!

 

No one care about your statements. The answer to the question is... HELL YES!

 

I'm not asking anyone to care. As long as people read them.

 

And also rap doesn't always glorify criminality. Even early gangsta rap was mostly political and lamenting about the horrors of ghetto life.

The pure glorification of gang lifestyles and shallow materialism came later.
And one can't point out enough that the power of this music is primarily influenced by the demographic who spends the most money on music: suburban white kids.
The gangsta rap we so fear is primarily created for suburban white kids with ghetto fantasies.
If rap has negative effects on the black community, these negative effects are largely the creation of white kid fantasies.

 

That's actually a great point. "Gangster's Paradise", one of the more famous rap songs of all time, definitely doesn't glorify the lifestyle. Even some modern rappers, such as Tyler the Creator, doesn't glorify the lifestyle at all. His songs are about the harsh reality. Only the mainstream rap really glorifies criminality, which is the rap most people will think of when they hear the term. Yet that rap is probably listened to more by people in the suburbs than actual people in the ghetto.

 

If rap wasn't there, something would fill the void

 

Joe , I hear ya , but what you gonna do ? ?

seems to me that the first indicator of increased crime in anyone's community would be the increased presence of law enforcement ,,, those cop cars are pretty easy to spot , and with the lights on , it makes quite a statement . . .

 

OMG I remember hearing this EXACT question stated as an opinion. In the 1970's. About Rock n Roll!

Danm kids and their radical music!

Some things never change...