If You Really Believe Diversity Is A Strength...

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Zook, Oct 11, 2011.

  1. Hanzou

    Hanzou New Member

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    LoL! Do you even know what you are talking about? Multicultural means many cultures. You do realize that religion is more integral to culture than racial background right? Which is why there's been so many divisions in Europe along religious lines even when the populations are of the same racial background. The Bosnian War? Northern Ireland? The Holocaust?

    I could go on and on.

    You're telling me that the U.S. is worse off because they avoided all of that crap simply by being tolerant of different religious groups, and refusing to stamp out minority religions?

    I understand that trying to pretend that multiculturalism began during the civil rights movement of the 1960s fits into your silly agenda. However, the reality is that the country was founded on multiculturalism from the beginning. Hell, the very motto of the country is multiculturalistic in nature.
     
  2. Albert Di Salvo

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    The country was founded on the principles of the European Enlightenment, not on multi-culturalism. You think diversity and multi-culturalism and diversity are the same things. They are not. Diversity can exist at a cultural level, but not at a political level. Assimilation requires that diversity jump into the melting pot, thereby changing the existing broth with its flavor, and being changed in turn by that broth, so that something new is created.

    The political doctrine of multi culti requires that there never be political fusion of the constituent elements. They always remain separate.

    Tell me how multi culti creates a shared identity and consciousness for those who wish to be called Americans?
     
  3. Hanzou

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    Um, the European enlightenment reinforced multiculturalism at this country's inception, and continues to push it in the modern day. It was enlightenment principles that led to freedom of religion, abolition of slavery, equal rights for women (and minorities), and integration. All of those patterns have lead to the dynamic, robust, and flexible, multiracial/multicultural society we currently have.

    Your problem is that you believe that multiculturalsim leads to balkanization instead of assimilation. Ironically, its the exact opposite. Multiculturalsim has actually accelerated the assimilation process through interracial marriages, integration, and the rapid "Americanization" of immigrant groups.

    Barack Obama. Marco Rubio. Herman Cain. Xavier Bacerra. Elaine Chao. Colleen Hanabusa. Nikki Haley. Bobby Jindal.
     
  4. Zook

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    All Canadians sound the same regarding multi-culturalism of their country because they have very little minorities there. You have a few of lots of nationalities, but you don't have millions of the same culture/race like we have in the United States or the United Kingdom. When you get large amounts of the nationalities I mentioned, you will start to feel the anger, aggression and obnoxiousness that you felt when you visited certain parts of the U.S.

    What I'm saying is, do you really think Canada will always be a haven of all different nationalities joining hands together and singing as one beneath a giant rainbow? As multi-culturalism grows in Canada so will the problems. What I'm predicting has happened in every vastly multi-cultural country/city/neighborhood on the planet.

    You don't know how lucky you are not to be surrounded by the nationalities I listed in my previous post.
     
  5. ian

    ian New Member

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    There is only 1 human species. There is no dispute regarding this except from complete idiots.
     
  6. ian

    ian New Member

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    Show your evidence.
     
  7. ian

    ian New Member

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    The idea that dark skin denotes a different species is completely absurd, what this would mean is that if I as a white skinned person got a suntan in summer then I would somehow morph into another species because my skin got darker. These types of arguments are completely idiotic.
     
  8. Zook

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    http://erectuswalksamongst.us/

    READ IT!

    No... try to follow closely... you're just not getting it. This, or racism in general, has nothing whatsoever to do with skin color. If it did, I would like negroid albinos, which I don't. Sri Lankans are the same color as negroids, yet I like Sri Lankans as the ones I have met have been nice, decent, civil, respectful people.

    Humans (all races regardless of color) are homo sapien.

    Negroids are homo erectus.

    Do you understand now?

    Still not getting it? Let me show you with pictures...

    These are blacks with White skin...

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    And this is a Sri Lankan person...

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    Do you get it now? Please say you get it now?? *Bangs head against brick wall*
     
  9. Pokerface

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    I think Europe has experimented with multiculturalism and they have come to the conclusion that it was a huge mistake. It doesnt work.

    The USA is going downhill fast and its because of multiculturalism. It wont get better.
     
  10. FearandLoathing

    FearandLoathing Well-Known Member

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    I read no further. You have obviously never been here even for a visit. I guessed you missed the point that 40% of the greater Vancouver area is non white.
     
  11. Hanzou

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    I get that you're clueless about anthropology and human evolution.
     
  12. Zook

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    Finally, someone around here with a little sense and realism.

    From what I can understand, the Vancouver area has a heavy Chinese influence. I've already said I consider Chinese people nice, decent, respectful, hard-working, law-abiding people. I not only have no problem with them, but I actually like them.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver

    You're just not getting it. When you have influence of millions of Somalians, Kenyans, Jamaicans, Nigerians, Ghanaians, Zimbabweans, Pakistanis, you'll begin to understand.

    Okay?
     
  13. Zook

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    Vancouver

    Tables of ethnicities (for census metropolitan area)
    Caribbean origins 11,830 0.56%
    African origins 22,610 1.08%
    Arab origins 14,170 0.68%

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Vancouver

    I'm currently staying in London, England. I'm originally from Jacksonville, fl. In London we have about 1 million Caribbeans, 2 million Africans and 2.5 million Arabs/Muslims.

    FearandLoathing, argue about the benefits of multi-culturalism when you experience a richer expansion of it. You don't have the experience to participate in this discussion.
     
  14. perdidochas

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    So for you science is something to be used to bludgeon your enemies, and then ignored when it has different conclusions than yours......
     
  15. ian

    ian New Member

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    A blog written by a Patent Attorney with zero scientific references. Thats your evidence? ROFL!

    You dont realise it but you just disproved your own point by posting white examples of black people, I will let you work this one out for yourself Einstein. LOL.
     
  16. Albert Di Salvo

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    Tell me step by logical step how the political doctrine of multiculturalim leads to assimilation. Treat me with respect. Don't use rhetoric.
     
  17. Zook

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    Race has nothing to do with skin color. No one in the history of the planet has ever hated someone simply because of the color of their skin. Why can't you understand that? Why am I having to repeat myself to you over and over again? Is there something mentally wrong with you?
     
  18. Hanzou

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    Simple; The minority culture is still subject to the majority culture, even though the minority culture is getting respect in schools, businesses, etc. In practice, multiculturalism actually accelerates the assimilation process because there's no barrier between the minority culture and the majority culture. This occurred in the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries with European immigrants, and its occurring now with Hispanic and Asian immigrants.

    Just compare the various European groups in Europe vs the various European groups in America. In Europe, the various immigrant groups fought over religion, culture, and nationalism. In America the various European groups interbred and became one semi-homogenous group of people.
     
  19. Albert Di Salvo

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    If that is true then why doesn't Belgium have a govt.? Because the Flemish want to have their own country where they govern themselves without dominance by the Francophile Walloons.

    The world is changing and there is a new resurgence of ethno-nationalism. It's happening all over the world. People don't want to be governed by people who aren't like them.

    I live surrounded by third worlders and their anchor babies turned gangbangers. That's the future I see at street level.

    It took more than a century for the pan-European majority of the 1940s and 1950s to coalesce into one people. When I grew up Italians and Portuguese still weren't considered White people.

    America doesn't have enough time to assimilate the Mexicans and Central Americans who come in wave after unending wave like a torrent sweeping unstoppably through this country. America doesn't even have another generation before it comes apart at the seams.

    I grew up as an ardent American patriot. I raised my boys to love America. Now I live in what is essentially Mexico and I have stopped caring about the United States as a polity. The US as a govt. means absolutely nothing to me.

    That sort of corrosive feeling is spreading among many White Americans and a lot of Asian Americans. It's like an infection.
     
  20. ian

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    Incorrect.
    Sure they havent Lol. Bizarre claim since the perjorative used to describe black people in the US is their skin colour. Lol, what a twerp.
    Because you have personal issues?
     
  21. Zook

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    If I disliked eating oranges or red berries, would that mean I hate them because of their color? I'm genuinely curious, because I have no idea what goes on in the wacky mind of a liberal and it'd be great to get some insight.

    Of course, to normal people you just dislike the taste... you know, the content.

    I have no idea how I get manipulated into childish debates with you. You're way beneath not just my level, but everyone on the entire forum. It's literally like banging my head against a brick wall talking to you, so I'll let you have the last word here. I'm out.

    *Ignored*
     
  22. Zook

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    Back to the original question for everyone else.

    Why don't you liberals campaign for multi-culturalism in every country that doesn't tolerate it? Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, Europe and America for everyone, huh?

    You only sponser multi-culturalism for White countries? Isn't that a bit racist and hypocritical?
     
  23. Libhater

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    Lets see them sponser multiculturalism inside Israel as well. Let us know how well that goes.
     
  24. Hanzou

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    Multiculturalism is a staple of the western hemisphere (The New World), not Eurasia and Africa. Canada, USA, Mexico, Brazil, etc. were multicultural/multiracial countries from the beginning, so its an integral part of their societal growth. It would be foolish to try to turn Eurasian and African countries into the melting pot that is North and South America, whose majority populations are Metizos and Mulattos.
     
  25. Zook

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    Right... and what about Europe? Why aren't Whites allowed a preserved homeland like every other race on the planet?

    Wasn't it foolish turning Europe into multi-cultural melting pot recently? Or was that okay because they were just White people?
     

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