http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05/24/2058601/illinois-bans-abstinence-sex-ed/ Good. Stop teaching kids BS that simply results in more disease and unwanted pregnancies. I just wish it went further and forced schools to teach proper sex ed instead of letting them teach nothing.
They need ban all these expensive and useless approaches since they do not work. It has been 40 years since Roe vs Wade OK'd abortions and the same annual 1.2 million abortions have consistently shown there has been zero deterrent in the sexual promiscuity. Add the growth in illegitimate babies, now equal to those born in wedlock, and Sex Education and Abstinence were both dismal failures. What is clear is that once the adults start open discussions about sex, at all, the younger generation slowly eliminates shame and disapproval as a break on their behavior, and the babies and diseases start coming for us ll to pay for, one way or the other. Don't ask and don't tell these kids about sex, just demonstrate good marriages and make sure no one knows what goes on behing closed doors. Shame will do the rest for those who do not at like the rest of society. (Oh, wait,... its too late). - - - Updated - - - They need ban all these expensive and useless approaches since they do not work. It has been 40 years since Roe vs Wade OK'd abortions and the same annual 1.2 million abortions have consistently shown there has been zero deterrent in the sexual promiscuity. Add the growth in illegitimate babies, now equal to those born in wedlock, and Sex Education and Abstinence were both dismal failures. What is clear is that once the adults start open discussions about sex, at all, the younger generation slowly eliminates shame and disapproval as a break on their behavior, and the babies and diseases start coming for us ll to pay for, one way or the other. Don't ask and don't tell these kids about sex, just demonstrate good marriages and make sure no one knows what goes on behing closed doors. Shame will do the rest for those who do not at like the rest of society. (Oh, wait,... its too late).
Obviously teaching Abstinence Only Miseducation has not worked. Time to change direction and teach safe sexual practice. All the above about shame is nothing more than religious nonsense. Teens will not stop experimenting with sex. Time for the religious to accept reality.
Yup, just pretend sex doesn't exist. Bury your head in the sand and the kids will stay virgins! Once again, you spew ignorance. Your claims defy reality. Sex ed + access to protection/birth control results in fewer STD's, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, etc. If you would actually read the article I posted, you'd see that. And if you actually bothered to do more research, you'd see that talking about sex and teaching sex ed does NOT encourage kids to have sex. They're kids. They have sex drives. They're going to have sex either way. www.nbcnews.com/id/3071001/ns/health-childrens_health/t/carnal-knowledge-sex-ed-debate/ More evidence that AO programs are actually causing more disease, abortions, and unwanted births. http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2005/02/sex-education.aspx
When the Religious Right says sexual education = "moral decay", regular people often misunderstand what they mean. The Religious Right means ANY honest education = "moral decay". Evolution, logic, critical thinking, the idea that we should make our OWN decisions based on FACTS, ALL these devious routes to Hell contribute to "moral decay", and children should ONLY be taught "Approved Party Line Reality" (APLR) in order to control their behavior. APLR is central to the Religious Right's educational process of producing drones like themselves, who are able to be easily manipulated by "authorities" (Glen Beck, James Dobson, etc.) and attractive pictures of dinosaur babies and caveman children playing together 6000 years ago. This produces a cud chewing herd of followers who will regurgitate ANY Party Line on command, no matter HOW absurd or self-serving, and contribute money. REAL education sabotages all that. Can anyone REALLY think that learning about our bodies and the powerful drives we are subject to is a "Bad Thing"? Particularly, especially when it comes to sex, sticking your head in the sand means your sex drive is right in the sand with you. We won't even talk about the unfortunate results of poking your bottom up in the air while unable to keep an eye on it!
I stopped reading about five words in. Your tangent has nothing to do with my point. The government is creating a situation in which promiscuity and self-gratification are the norm and concepts like personal responsibility and consequences are erased by spending our tax dollars...
Not really, I'd say a bunch of minority teen girls popping out welfare babies by the truckload just because they never learned what a condom is, is a way greater example of 'moral decay' than (gasp) teenagers humping (which has gone on since the caveman era). As it is right now, over 50% of all black and hispanic girls become pregnant before the age of 19. The one good thing about the blue states is that the teen pregnancy rate is much lower all around the board, partly because they don't have a bunch of repressed people there making laws who think that just because they never got laid in HS means that teens haven't been doing it since the dawn of man, and don't realize that telling teens 'not to have sex' is about as effective as banning large sodas at ball games to stop people from getting fat. But hey if you want to support abstinence education that's fine, as long as you agree to fit my tax bill when it comes to paying for all of those black and Hispanic kids who'll grow up on welfare. I didn't make the kids and I don't want to pay for it - but if you'd rather have them procreating like rabbits just because of some prissy hangup over sex (gasp), then more power to you.
You should really attend a sex education class sometime, and then show us where it "creates a situation in which promiscuity and self-gratification are the norm and concepts like personal responsibility and consequences are erased".
I support personal responsibility and people paying for the consequences of THEIR actions, not me paying for them, and millions of others like me. The government has created an illegitimate baby mill by using our tax dollars to support/reward poor choices and mitigate the consequences of those choices. To me that is moral decay of the highest order...
Here's a novel idea, why don't the parents take some responsibility and have an honest discussion with their children. Oh but that would be asking to much from a lot of the (*)(*)(*)(*) poor parents out there. There's your moral decay, when parents stopped raising children the big nanny in Washington was more than glad to do a little more programing.
Abstinence miseducation? Abstinence is the best way to avoid pregnancy and/or STDs, that's just a fact of life. That being said. Leaving birth control options out of the discussion is the height of ignorance! To abortion all I can say is beyond medical reasons there is no excuse to "need" an abortion considering the plethora of birth control options available in this day and age. If one depises abortion than one should logically urge birth control be used where abstinence will not be.
Good idea. The FIRST step in taking responsibility is to FULLY educate people and our children about their bodies, their health and their options, not only that they should wait to have sex, but what to do if they are going to have sex or did have sex. Misinformed or manipulative stories (often fabricated by horny boys to manipulate girls into sex) are rampant among kids,and many of the silly stories result in pregnancy and disease if someone believes them. There is NO sex education program for public schools that do not emphasize NOT having sex as a first choice for health. These course often have substantial elements of how to say NO!, and how to avoid peer pressure and the kind of manipulative BS people will spout to manipulate a person into sex. And it is the height of silliness to think clinically talking about sex and disease prevention CAUSES children to do it!
Right. Right, absolutely shameless. Religion will no longer fool the teenagers into being socially responsible and getting married when they knock each other up. Welfare can only be kept down as much as abortions will allow. The enormous cost of $ 1 Trillion dollars in 2011 may make mandatory abortions a good idea, like China is doing now. The present 1.2 million abortions every year kill off only half the illegitimate babies that would be borne. The 1.5 million illegitimate babies are now 50% of all American births. Essentially, half the country is supporting the Welfare for the other half. But, there is also the problem with the fatherless kids of the single mothers which grow to boss her around, fail in the schools, commit 70% of all violent crime, form gangs which reign throughout and over the inner cities, and fill the prisons. This has created two Americas. The one we tax and take away their guns. The other we watch shooting each other,... now, as they get armed with unregistered weapons and boldly attack our police, unafraid of the jails where all their friends are. Sex among teens seems to be at the root, but the incentive is to have welfare babies.
When Illinois starts cleaning up their state then I'll start listening to anything they have to say. Until then they're not exactly eligible for any kind of intelligent recognition.
? How so... Abortion has been pretty level for the last 20 years,.... ...while illegitimacy has been growing the Welfare System:
Hmmm,... What religious people actually DID,before the 1960 feminist inspired Sexual Revolution was merely not talk about sex publicly at all, and pretty much keep what people did behind closed doors unseen and never spoken about. It was Taboo to talk about sex, or us the F word, or such language. Kids were surprised to discover where they had come from, because for centuries, no one explained it to them. Then, some people in that 1960 generation said that keeping kids directly and intentionally uninformed was really bad for them, somehow. But Welfare, Abortion, and violent crime from fatherless kids being raised by Single Mothers has clearly become bad for the tax payer and society, and,... sadly,... for the kids who suffer tremendous child abuse now. That Sex Education has had zero effect can be measured by the 40 years of a consistent rate of 1.2 million Abortions every year in spite of it, the now 1.5 million Illegitimate babies born every year,... now half of all births, and the 30 years of a consistent 40,000 deaths from AIDS every year before the new meds have appeared.
Since society has educated kids to wait until average age of 26, now, before getting married, teaching them to enter the Roman Catholic Priesthood as Nuns and Brothers seems the best way to expect them to avoid illegitimacy and abortion during the 14 years from puberty, while we show them porn in movies, TV, music, and our own example, as their big brothers and sisters, who even get divorce 50% of the time after we marry someone at age 26.
Plenty of foolish young people get married at a young age just so they can knock boots - which leads to welfare babies, divorce, and dysfunctional families later in life. Expecting a kid to marry at an age when they aren't even mature enough to have a job is asinine.
Comprehensive sexuality education, reduces STDs, Abortion, teen pregnancy and delays first intercourse. Those are facts. http://www.guttmacher.org/media/nr/2012/03/08/
I recall the early '60s when talking about sex was taboo. We are never going to return to that era, but perhaps our sex education curriculum needs some improvement. Now we have abstinence, safe sex, or the scare of sexually transmitted disease are taught as your choices. Perhaps if we explained to teenagers that a sex drive develops during puberty and is intended to make sure the human race will perpetuate itself. However, in today's society, getting pregnant has a lot of negative consequences. 1) It will certainly interfere with your future plans. 2)Even an abortion can leave a psychological scar. 3)Men still prefer women who are not highly sexually active as future wives. 4) Opening yourself to a first sexual experience can be highly enjoyable with the right man. To let a man just "put on the moves" and prod a women to have sex can be a miserable experience. 5) Teach about masturbation - it is the best way to control your sexual desires. These conversations seem more like something that would have some impact. Keeping with the "here are your choices" curriculum treats teenagers like children.
Learning NOT TO SCREW AROUND IS "comprehensive sex education"....READ YOUR LINK: They found that 66% of sexually experienced females and 55% of sexually experienced males reported having received information about both abstinence and birth control prior to first intercourse. Eighteen percent of sexually experienced females and 21% of males had received only abstinence instruction, while 16% of females and 24% of males had had no instruction on either topic. MATH-CHALLENGED? The FACTS do not support your claims, despite the LAUGHABLE attempts of the "Guttmacher" nimrods to "SPIN" them.
pulled quotes are fun... but did you read the rest and ignore it or did you just lie ...However, these measures do not correlate directly with any specific “abstinence-only” or “comprehensive” sex education programs (see below). Respondents who had received instruction on both abstinence and birth control were older at first sex than their peers who had received no formal instruction and were more likely to have used condoms or other contraceptives at first sex; they also had healthier partnerships. Those who had received only abstinence instruction were more likely to have delayed first intercourse than were those who had had no sex education, but abstinence instruction was not associated with any of the other protective behaviors at first sex. Moreover, condom use at first sex was significantly less likely among females who had had only abstinence instruction than among those who had received information about both abstinence and birth control. The study found no relationship between sex education and current sexual behaviors, suggesting the need for ongoing education after the onset of sexual activity. If you read the whole report you will know things....now you are just IGNORANT....
