Imagine How Smart I Would Be If I Was an Atheist

You'd think a top 0.01% IQ would be able to figure that...

 

Think the OP also misses the point that genius =/= know everything. An average IQ with extensive reading/study of evolutionary theory will still understand it better than a genius without that extensive reading/study. IQ is merely potential, one requires experience and practice to realise it.

 

All this 'navel contemplation' is making me envious of the 'poor, simple, common folk'...

 

I'll admit, I had a difficult time writing a reply to this statement that did not immediately and blatantly violate the TOS of the forum.

I certainly do not think you are unintelligent, as it takes an amount of intelligence to be so good at your particular method of "debate". Even more so to get a decent number of other people (without discussing their intelligence) to agree with you (given your amount of rep points) on ... well ... anything.

That being said, in comparison with your statement above and those with which you "debate", this forum must be home to the largest gathering of the worlds smartest people.

I know you've claimed this before, but I don't believe it for a second, given your unabashed hatred for atheists and complete inability to understand atheism in the slightest.

Fixed that for you.

For such a smarty-pants, I would have thought that you'd be aware that "intelligence" refers to the ability to understand and reason, and not knowledge. That priest may be very intelligent, but not because of his degrees.

Sure, having a bunch of advanced degrees can be an indicator of higher intelligence, but one does not equate to the other. In fact, I have a (former) step-brother who has a PhD, but is an utter moron. He lacks all common sense and his ability to reason or think for himself begins and ends at whatever a textbook dictates to him. He can remember facts, but that's it. He's been that way his whole life.

There's that "debate" method again.

I don't think anyone has made this claim, certainly not "so many". On very rare occasions, some have pointed out that studies have shown a general correlation between intelligence and a lack of religious beliefs. There's a difference.

It's funny though - I almost never see atheists bring up intelligence when discussion religious topics, rather it's some theists who constantly bring it up in a "help, I'm being picked on!" manner when no one has actually said a thing - like you did above (and do quite often).

There are always exceptions.

Yes, because it is delusional to not believe in something due to a complete lack of evidence or proof. Insanity! We should all be locked up in a padded room.

 

Well, its not exactly smart to speculate about other people's intelligence from an emotional basis is it nullity?

And according to most atheists, the collection of the smartest people in the world are ... atheists.

So what happens when this groups of self declared super genius's is challenged with a mark and standard that indicates intelligence? When their claim that intelligence is challenged?

Do we see reasoned responses? Or do we see yoru first line? Emotion?

So, you tell me how much of atheism is intellect, and how much is conciet/arrogance?

Because based on what you guys are writing when callenged - it appears to be entirely the later.

(there are smart atheists, but, just as predicted, they avoided this thread - having acknowledged the limitations of their faith choice.)

Do we need more proof of arrogance?

What about your precious atheism is hard to fathom? I am a former atheist guy, and there is nothing difficult to explain.

The fact that people don't accept your excuses and double standards does not mean they don;t understand them.

You go ahead and explain my favorite - how can atheist NOT be a faith, have NO evidence to support it, and no burden of proof?

And you guys think religious people are good at creative writing?

I understand that concept all to well - and it is not intelligence - is a rationalized excuse for arrogance.

Not all atheists are like you - they do not get off on insulting religious people, I get along just fine with them.

Is that what yo are claiming? Or are you introducing a different standard when held to a standard?

Are you claiming that you are better able to reason through and understand what this thread is about? To deal with the reality that EVERY atheist who has responded has responded with emotion and every changing sets of standards?

That souns a whole lot more like emotion than intelligence to me null.

Yeah, it does.

The only reason you are saying that is because you are looking for an emotional excuse to avoid actually defending the claim made.

In order to receive training just to get an advanced degree you have to pass several tests and examinations. If you lack that ability, you are not granted access to training - period.

Again, its funny, people you don;t like but who have achieved more than you are always morons?

Once again, does that sound like intelligence? Or arrogance? Emotion?

Yep, and they are all atheists, and indeed, a quick search of the database will turn up plenty of atheists preaching about the delusion of religious people and pointedly ignoring the growing documentation that harmonizes religion and science.

But when called on it? As always - we see the change in standards.

So what does lead you to atheism? Its not evidence? Its not intellect? Its not reasoning?

Well, I see a lot of screaming atheists who accuse others of not being able to understand - but what the hell can you explain in a rational, unemotional sense that will stand up to even slight scrutiny?

Nothing.

Then you see what you wish only. What does that sound like?

Indeed, and many fit the rule.

Its delusional to keep saying that even after you have repeatedly been given strong preponderance of the evidence cases. Its delusional when most rational people acknowledge that the evidence for God is inconclusive in a scientific sense ... and here you keep claiming that there is none?

Does that sound like rationalism? Or emotionalism?

I think we all know what drives people to atheism, arrogance.

 

???

Pretty sure it wasn't arrogance for me, in fact I came from such a religious background I was actually afraid when I admitted to myself that I didn't believe in God, it certainly was not arrogance.

 

What a wierd line of logic. Seriously- you claim to have gone to law school?

I know some brilliant Christians. I know some idiot atheists. Completely unrelated.

Belief in Christ or God or any deity is a matter of faith, not a matter of intellect. But some brilliant intellects have expressed their faith beautifully.

And good for them.

Me- I just don't believe.

Not sure why that bothers you so much.

 

What a wonderful story. I am certain that is 100% accurate and truthful.

Indeed, because that makes so much sense. You are the most brilliant of the brilliant, and accept fables with zero proof, none whatsoever, as being true.

Despite this grand intelligence you claim an invisible man in the sky controls everything and when you die you fly up and hang out with him.

Yeah, that is a believable scenario.

 

I wonder if the Athesist-arrogance-intelligence thing is because they think that their view is correct and that their view is right over the other 98% of the world, therefore they would think they are the smartest.

 

That is true. Atheists must explain to themselves and others why the vast majority of people who live, and who ever lived, believe in some sort of religion.

The only way out of this dilemna is elitism.

The "masses" are stupid and unwashed, the small minority of atheists are superior intellectually.

Atheists run into a problem when they encounter intelligent people who believe in religion.

So they resort to mockery and ridicule in the hopes of ending the argument on a sour note, or getting the thread locked.

 

I agree with that conclusion, but since you wrote the stupid intro your statements are not valid until you prove yourself.

 

What am I supposed to prove?

 

prove yourself to be smart.

 

How do I prove I'm smart on an internet forum?

 

Thats a dumb question, internets give you more confidence because it wont affect you up-front and personal, give us a theory that will blow our minds or something.

 

Oh, I don't think all atheists are arrogant, but the ones that run around quick as a bullet to drop an insult?

The one sthat run around calling people rapists and genocidal maniacs because they are Christian?

That is certainly a pretty clear sign of arrogance.

the atheists that are screaming the loudest about intelligence .... and all sort of excuses, blah .... are the same ones who walk around with a smug sense of superiority.

Again, what the hell is it that causes atheists to write things like this?

"Religion
In the history of the world, nothing has been the catalyst of more grief, hatred, war, and crime than religion. Religion allows a person to hate, kill, torture, or steal, while allowing him to recuse himself of all blame. Religion causes people to break the laws of ethics and morality in the name of a god."

http://www.atheists.org/religion

One has to be pretty deliberately stupid on history to believe something like that, much less write it out and use it as a marketing tool.

Unfortuantely, sentiments like that, and those who defend them with insults and sullen jibes are all to common in atheism.

It's why I left. All atheism was, was an excuse to be a dick to people. So when I see atheists mking the same silly arguements that I did? Trust me, I know it isn't science I am looking at.

 

I have no mind-blowing theories to amaze you with. Do you have any other test?

 

hmm, plenty, but you said earlier you thought you were smart, so choose your own way to prove your intelligence.

 

I think he already did.

He has acknowledged the limits of what is passable over the internet - a smart person knows the limits.

A less than intelligent person does not - but demands that someone else figure it out.

Well, we can conclude, as a minimum, that blackie is more intelligent than the person who leveled this claim.

So, know that we have cleared that hurdle, I believe you were attempting to make a point?

 

I think the best way I can prove I am smart is not rising to your bait.

If you don't believe what I've said that is your perogative. I can't make you believe what you don't want to believe.

Perhaps you don't want to believe I am smart because that would challenge your world-view that all Christians are uneducated rubes.

But I don't have to prove anything to you, and I won't.

 

not so, i suspect he has a conclusion to this thread, i would like to hear it. Theres also not a very big limit,he obviously had a less than intelligent intro by introducing the concept of what he thinks his parents I.Q. is, after all that much bragging i want to see some proof of his bragging of his own intelligence.

 

My point is, I'm smarter than most people. In a room of 10,000 people, I'm the smartest person in the room. I am smarter than you, and I dare say I am smarter than the other atheists on this forum, and by a very large margin.

The reason I told you is I'm tired of hearing atheists say they are so smart to figure out there is no God, as opposed to us stupid Christians who believe in fairy tales.

The typical atheist on this forum makes very low-level arguments for his position. These arguments are usually based in emotion, as opposed to logic or reason. It is hard for me to watch people make stupid arguments and at the same time brag about their superior intellect.

I could make a list of all the worst arguments against God, and perhaps in another thread I will. But I haven't found one atheist who can answer the simple question:

If there is no God, how did we get here?

When you can answer that question to my satisfaction, I will be the first to admit I was wrong and convert to atheism.

 

i wish to know overall what makes you think you are smarter than me, thats bragging, a smart man is a wise man, and a wise man shows humility. plus your full of bull.

 

And a similar question can be asked, if there is a God, how did he get there (wherever that is)?

Did God create himself?

The question in both instances is answered in the very same way....

Mass can neither be created nor destroyed, hence it has always existed.

Likewise, the other answer is the same with very different attributes.

God has always existed.

Can God be created or destroyed?


Your question itself as proof of anything is a demonstration of circular logic, in other words... A formal fallacy..... But certainly an intellect would have already known this right?

The only thing we are truly ever able to prove is ourselves, what a brilliant world we would live in if more people sought to do exactly that...... So far, I have yet to see any demonstration of this going on in this thread.

Misplaced ego, nothing more!

 

One great big problem with your statement. All this matter WAS created in the Big Bang.

So the fundamental premise of your proof is wrong.

Defnitely some ego problems when we foust stuff like that without even the basics of a fact check.

Get that a lot with atheists.