In his speech last night Obama said that ISIS is not muslim

Quran 4;89

 

How about the Quran 5;33?

 

How about the Quran 5;33
And this are the things Obama was raised to believe

 

And yet ISIS is still there. If the Muslim world were really so upset by them then the 2 billion Muslims could easily dispatch ISIS. But ISIS has not been in existence for over 6 months now and is still growing.

 

Your username is a gag, right?

Did you only half-listen to what he said, or didn't you understand it?

President Obama (praise be unto Him!) rightly said that they call themselves Muslim but do not act in accordance with the Koran.

 

Agree if Moslems are so great and loving. Why aren't they fighting ISIS? Take up swords and defeat them.

 

Sure, that's the passage. What is the context? What was happening at the time those words were said? What do the preceding and following passages say?

 

What about 8;12?
To me that one is straight forward.
Those who don't believe strike off their heads and finger tips.
Sound so damn loving and peaceful. No context needed.

 

This the book Obama's father rad to him. Nice.

 

Context always matters. Is it a command given during a battle?

 

Lies. It is used today to justify the Muslims actions.
So you telling me that Muslims don't believe any Quran text written during battle? Really? Please.
They say nothing about people attacking them. However go forth and kill non believers. They will be no other left beside Ali.

 

Bukhari 52;73
Burn those that don't come out their homes to pray to Ali.
This has nothing to do with war. Innocent people are to be burned I. Their homes because the Muslims fake book says so.

 

And Christians used lines from the Bible out of context to justify atrocities (people like the Army of God still do). It doesn't change the fact that those lines are out of context.

 

Yep another fictional book.
Those who follow the bible are as dumb as Muslims. The Quran is a book of lies and hate. It's only preachers peace if you are a believers. Anyone that's believes the Quran should be stoned.

 

My Dad never rad to me......

 

Then you father isn't a good dad. Tell your mother to leave him now and run and don't look back.

 

I'm glad he never rad to me.

 

I believe the Koran and hadiths I can read for myself, are an accurate representation of Islam. I believe the first 1300 years of the Islamic history of a Caliphate governing the people is an accurate representation of Islam and its absence over the last 80 years is not. Isis goal of restoring the Caliphate is justified by Islamic doctrine and most so called moderate Muslims will not admit that fact.

 

But they are acting in accordance with the Koran. What contradiction with the doctrine do you see?

[3.151] We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.(*)

[2.193] And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah...(*)

2.216] Fighting is enjoined on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

[2.246] ...May it not be that you would not fight if fighting is ordained for you? They said: And what reason have we that we should not fight in the way of Allah, and we have indeed been compelled to abandon our homes and our children. But when fighting was ordained for them, they turned back, except a few of them, and Allah knows the unjust.

[3.169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

[4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world's life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

[9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

[9.111] Surely Allah has bought of the believers their persons and their property for this, that they shall have the garden; they fight in Allah's way, so they slay and are slain;(*)

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them

 

There is a level of stupidity and hypocrisy that has Guinness interested from the right on this. The non-Islamic comment was in reference to their behavior. They are in violation of Islamic law. Just like KKK or the Christian Identity movement when the very same people suggest they are non-Christian.

But it is THIS President so there it is.

 

Who gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) how lame his speech was, its time to slam the brakes on this whole getting sucked back into Iraq. The Arabs don't want to fight ISIL, why the should we? Arm the Kurds, and let them defend their homeland. Screw the Turks, Screw the Saudis, screw the Jordanians.

 

What Islamic law are they violating? Sunnis have justified waging war against Shiites under Islamic law for centuries. The first of the "Rightly Guided" caliphs justified under Islamic law, waging war against fellow Muslims, simply because they stopped paying their tax to Mecca when Muhammad died.

 

Saying that a terrorists who happens to be Muslim says a Muslim prayer before killing means that all Muslims supports terrorists is like saying that all Christians support the lynching blacks because the KKK is all Christian and says Christian prayers.

 

And all members of the KKK are Christians? And how do you know this because?

 

They are a white-Christian supremacy group. One of their core beliefs is that god intended white Christians to rule the world.