In honor of Pride month in the US.

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by wolfsgirl, Jun 13, 2012.

  1. philxx

    philxx New Member

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    Most humans are and your point is ????

    could you please point out the LGBT inspired notes in his musical compositions.??Please ??

    what were his bisexual inspired works ,please tell me ,what you can't because it [played no role ????

    or did he have special Gay quavers ,played in a special gay way ,or did he denote ,ONLY TO BE PLAYED BY A GAY ,or this section for Lesbian triangle players ??????????

    see how idiotic it is to try and reduce Art to LGBT stupidity!

    Motzart ,and Beethoven what did they do as they were hetrosexaul and they only wrote hetrosexual music ,give up now its best not to expose ones ignorance and stupidity in public ,Gay music ,lesbian Music OK ,when was the new musical notation developed and how does it differ in its playing or interpretation???

    Please oh ,gay cultured one please educate the rest of the Musical Traditionalists that use TIME honoured technics and musical conventions?????
     
  2. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Nah. Nuclear family doesnt have anything to do with capitalism. It is antithetical to the operation of communism. From the communist playbook in the US

    25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
    26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
    27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."....
    40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
    41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

    A man with his wife and kids has a natural, biological tendency to provide for his wife and kids over providing for the collective. To provide them with what they WANT, and not just "according to their needs". Even concern himself with providing for their wants after he is dead, before he is concerned with supporting the collective. .
     
  3. philxx

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    And whats wrong with fighting for the abolition of Religion ,as you know without its Tax free status it would fall down overnight as any thinking human knows it to be a falsity of thinking .And as far as the nuclear capitialist formed family ,not the natural human extended model family ,what do we get ,distruction of childhoods on mass,12 yera olds having children ,gee good that ,human pain and misery of domestic violence ,tyhanks for that all keep in the family behind closed doors.good hey ,and we are describing society as you want it not me.

    And the handing over of children to priests to be physically ,emotionally and most Importantly for the church SEXUALLY ABUSED!

    Any parent that lets a child be in close cont5act with a priest should have that child taken by protective services ,the jury is out and the church is the institution of systematic child abuse.And the nuclear family not the natural extended human family is the source of domestic violence.
     
  4. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Many things are wrong, among them the fact that to do so would be a violation of the First Amendment.

    Extended family in one home is usually out of neccessity or family estates that result from property and inheritance laws. Capitalism created the ability for the nuclear family to be self sufficient on its own. I think its "natural" for husbands or wifes to get out of the inlaws house, if they have the means to do so.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Most every gay or lesbian I know, has had relationships with both men and women. They choose to identify as homosexual. Just as many people who have had sex with both men and women choose to identify as heterosexual.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    no one is denying heterosexuals the right to marry white people, that fight has come and gone, that anti-marriage crowd was wrong then and they are wrong now
     
  7. SiliconMagician

    SiliconMagician Banned

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    Being proud of being born homosexual is no better than a white supremecist being proud of being born white, a black nationalist being proud of being born black.

    After all, aren'twe told by liberals all the time that we shouldn't take pride in anything we can't control, such as our race or national origin?

    So why do gays get to be proud for something beyond their control?

    If nationalist/cultural/racial pride is abhorrent, then gay pride is just as abhorrent.
     
  8. MegadethFan

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    But you are free to do so.

    Dont know. Which liberals are you talking about?

    Not all gays participate and those that do are free to do so.

    No. Nationalist/cultural/racial pride is abhorrent because these are part of backward, often hateful ideologies. But like gay pride people, they have the right to take pride in whatever they want.
     
  9. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    How about that guy in Canada, made it into the top 12 most beautiful women in that beauty contest? Or is that more of a failing of Canadian women? Or an accomplishment of his surgeons? Or is it just an example of a gay man unable to accept his homosexuality?
     
  10. philxx

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    If one uses History and not whatever measure you use ,and we do notice in your previous post you said "the nuclear family has nothing to do with capitialism ',that mistake be as it may ,Most of Human existance on this Planet has as its family form the EXTENDED variety ,the Commodity Labour which developed under capitialism requires the replication of wage slaves over generations ,in fact the wage level is determined by it and can be seen as the cost of wage slave maintainance and replication ,the most efficent form is UNDER CAPITIALISM ,the nuclear family.a very modern 20th century phenomena and not the vogue for the vast majority of the Human Population as it exists today .

    in fact the breakup of the extended family and its replacement with the nuclear is causing social disruption and dislocation on a hitherto unseen dimension in Nations such as china ,Japan ,India ,and most nations actually .

    Homosapien is a Social animal after all.Ready to be suffled off to a nursing home when you age so much as to be Inconvenient to your Kids???????????

    Dying lonely is not pretty,and the middle class are particularly brutal with their parents.
     
  11. Johnny-C

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    My make such a useless comparison, I say. Having a sense of human worth is what most people are after. I'm not "proud" because I'm a human being, but I DO value being seen and treated as human by other people.

    If I assert my right to raise an issue (or many) because I am occasionally or regularly dehumanized by bullies, jerks or bigots... my efforts to correct the same may be viewed as or considered to be "pride", but it's really a matter of carrying out or putting up a defensive response. Sometimes in reality, even an offensive response may be required.

    Homosexuals are human beings (equals), and some people just don't want to accept that.

    What are "liberals" (whoever they are) telling you? (Be real.)

    (see the above) Or, why should some haters/bigots be allowed to heap persecution and shame upon homosexuals?

    Bottom line... the haters will ultimately be fought back and/or resisted. It that sometimes translates into being "pride"... so be it.

    Hey, you work that our within yourself. Just don't think your assessments, perceptions and assumptions apply universally to all homosexual people.
     
  12. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Like I said, extended families are out of neccesity. Higher standards of living in the 20th century enabled the nuclear family to be self sufficient. And its no more productive at "replication" of slaves than extended fanilies. Higher standards of living are more effective at increasing replication. If you want to blame all the effects of higher standards of living on capitalism, I wouldnt disagree with you.
     
  13. sec

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    and what she did in her privacy has exactly what bearing on the song?
     
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    SpaceCricket79 New Member Past Donor

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    Pride month = discrimination against heterosexuals.

    Why do you care if the authors are homosexual or not?

    BTW, transsexualism is not in any way related to homosexuality/bisexuality. That right there shows just how asinine the entire LGBT movement is.
     
  15. wolfsgirl

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    Is black history month discriminating against whites?
    Does womens history month discriminate against men?
    How about Native American heritage month?

    We have months to celebrate many groups, their accomplishments, and contributions to this country.
     
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    Yes, yes, and yes - they should all be abolished - they are racist and sexist.

    People should not be celebrated on the basis of their sexuality, skin color, gender, etc - it promotes division and segregation rather than looking beyond superficial attributes like race, sex, etc - but liberals seem to love that.
     
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    I don't have a problem with people celebrating who they are. I don't understand why it bugs some people. If you don't like it, don't celebrate with them.
     
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    Being born black/gay/female/etc isn't a personal accomplishment - why should that be celebrated? Isn't that dividing people by race/sexuality/etc?
     
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    Kindly explain in detail for us what discrimination is actually taking place against heterosexuals, and provide support for those assertions. Otherwise, I think it fair to judge your statement as nothing more than empty rhetoric intended to inspire hatred.

    Missing the point. It is a popular argument put forth by our opponents that we contribute nothing of value to society. The point is, we actually do, and our orientation isn't just cause for claiming otherwise.

    They are connected by societal disapproval of non-conformance in the areas of gender role & identity. Or if you prefer, the negative obsession some people have with anything remotely connected to sex that makes them uncomfortable.
     
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    yes, and you will find those who are more left leaning tend to support segregation and classification
     
  21. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    Why is there even pride festivals? There's nothing to be proud of for being gay or bi or whatever, it's no achievement it's just your sexuality. And identifying with people just because they share the same sexual orientation as you.. is stupid beyond comprehension.. tax money better not go to this crap.
     
  22. MegadethFan

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    I agree, its pretty retarded. It reminds me of the start of Family Guy, the star wars episode that begins with "In a long time ago, when gays weren't all in your face about it." As someone who is entirely pro-gay rights, I completely agree.
     
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    Do we really need to explain for the eighty-millionth time that it's not about being proud of sexuality, but instead a celebration of the achievements of gay people despite the considerable discrimination they've experienced in a hostile society that stereotypes and stigmatizes them, and as a protest against the same?

    In a cruel twist of fate, "Pride" is actually now a favorite resource of anti-gay people looking for images and anecdotes they can use in their propaganda to perpetuate the stereotypes. I blame that on the gay people who have basically turned "Pride" into a gay version of Mardi Gras.

    In my opinion, "Pride" has long outlived its usefulness to the gay community.
     
  24. MegadethFan

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    Sorry man but its an absolutely absurd and in my opinion, counter productive way of celebrating such achievements. I'm referring to its current state, of course.

    That's what he and I mean (I hope that's what he means). Its become something demented, where it was once, in which I agree with you on, was intended to take serious joy in the brilliant achievements of gay activists and community.

    Agreed.
     
  25. Johnny-C

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    No, it doesn't. Please, show that what you say is somehow 'true'.
     

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