Incentive to be President?

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  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe Americans should consider what are the incentives to attain a major political office in America? These statistics should open some eyes. George Washington, the Father of our Nation, set a strong precedent for us to follow. His financial figures after serving, I believe would compare far closer to those of Donald J. Trump's than all the others.
    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jNCAhDY9Iac?t=16&feature=share
     
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    The incentive to become president is to be powerful, Mr Washington excepted.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well there have been quite a few after, but not in recent decades anyway. Washington was a noble, honorable statesmen of the new experiment. He didn't like the idea of "political parties". I would put Trump in that category as well because Democrats both hate and fear him and so do establishment Republicans. He just knew party membership is a prerequisite to get elected.
     
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    Maga wants to destroy the Country, Trump is their man.....
     
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    Really? Really?? Are folks better off now or when President Trump was in office?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if Trump would just go away, we would all be much better off, paint his feet or something like Bush jr did

    4 years of Trump will take decades to clean up his mess
     
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    In today's society there is no incentive to become President if you are not already a part of the Elite AND kowtow to the Elite. Because if you are off on even one of those you will get attacked over and over and over until you are destroyed completely and utterly. As the old saying goes: "show me the man and I'll show you the crime". That is what they have shown will happen.

    IMO Unless something changes... it's not far off before the DoI is used again and directed at the people in the US government instead of the British.
     
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    One huge incentive is to be remembered in history. Most House and Senate members are forgotten. Even bad presidents are forever on a select list. Outfits like Disney in the “Hall of Presidents” characterizing them as “remarkable men.” No, they were not all remarkable. A few of them were failures. Some of them were very average. Yet, all of them are remember with a live action figure.
     
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    To the average American voting for the top office every four years, the incentive is simply exercising our right to vote for the person whom we want to be President. Does not mean our choice, whoever it is, will win the Presidency in our federal election. However, for the person actually running, the incentive is simply wanting to serve the Country, not their own personal financial gain. Their concern should be what is best for the country as a whole, not the personal idealogy. We saw an early example of this with Thomas Jefferson who made two critical decisions in his presidency that went against his own personal philosophy or idealogy. One was with the Louisiana Purchase. The second was the First Barbary War. In both cases, he did what was best for the country, not himself. Unfortunately, we have one candidate, at least, who believes what is best for him/her is also best for him/her for the country. We see a lesser extent with certain Congressional Representatives and Senators, along with their antics to get them on TV, the same thing. In this case, the two main issues are abortion and elections. In Georgia, with local elections, several GOP members of the country elections canvassing board refused to certify the local elections. These elections were routine, with very low voter turnout, and no problems whatsoever, and yet they still refused to certify the elections. The other is abortion. In the case with Ohio, a somewhat conservative state, the voters did decide to enshrine abortion rights into the state constitution. You have had prominent GOP, some from North Dakota, to simply not accept the results, and do as you may in the state legislature when it comes to abortion. That is making things personal, not what is good for the state since the voters have already decided by direct vote on what to do with abortion rights. For the greater good, no matter how one feels about abortion or their personal viewpoints, including religious viewpoints, the greater good and the rule of law is to accept the results and move on. But some don't want that and thus want to rule, not govern.
     
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    Why do they want to destroy the country?
     
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    I agree but I don't think Trump is in it for the greater good of you and I. He is in it for personal power.
     
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    You think so? Most think money is power. As illustrated in the OP, he has lost money. So what kind of power is he after? I would say. power to restore America to it's original intent. Minorities had better income under his administration. Farmers did far better with the trade policies he enacted. I would say individual liberty was enhanced and if he wants power to do those things, and even pat himself on the back for those efforts, I'd say go ahead.
     
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    Think they believe he wants to destroy their vision of Big Government and entitlements.
     
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    Are you convieniently forgetting the last year or so of his Presidency? We are much better off now than we were in 2019-2020.
     
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    Even then, most of them are forgotten. How many past presidents can the average American name? I would bet it is less than a quarter of them.
     
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    He is after political power. He had it and he misses it. I'm not criticizing what Trump did. I think he did more good for America than any other president in my lifetime. Kennedy was a close second.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lot of what you say is about a free press. Washington did not want a "partisan government". Our founders had varying ideas as they explored ideas in new territory. Those "individuals" listened to each other and compromised all for the good of the Nation. It was amazing. Now with information moving so fast, there is hardly time to digest what we hear. We have a press that is largely "partisan and deceitful". Information was suppressed that would have delivered a totally different outcome in 2016. That is a proven fact. I believe the frustration of a "fixed election" was largely due to that. Russian disinformation was the term weaponized agencies as well as the press used to block a whole can of worms. Obama and the Biden regime built up a power base that made them extreme amounts of money and pay out. It is slowly being exposed and leaking through the partisan press.
    The content of the OP is a very simple precept. Who garnered the most power from the executive office? That is shown in the way of $$ often used to buy off bureaucrats in the FBI IRS and DOJ as well as our press!
     
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    Granted, the American citizenry has overcome obstacles created by COVID but recovery should have come much much faster!
     
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    To me, being remembered for what is right, specifically protecting the rights of "individuals", is a noble cause. Self sacrifice is a noble action in producing that cause. We see with our eyes that sacrifice not only in the OP but every time we see DJT drug into court by Partisan Judges and Rabid AG's! Trump could attend to his financial empire and those indictments would never have been raised. Americans know that and it is precisely why his poll numbers go up.
     
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    I would not call it political power. A good politician would have used power to weaponize agencies against his opponents. Trump didn't and others did. That was his downfall.
     
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    George Washington was actually wealthy. :shock:
     
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    His downfall was his personality, not anything he did. I guess we don't agree on the meaning of a good politician.
     
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    A lot of what I said is not about free press. What I said is who is running for office. If someone wants to run for President, fine, but that also means running for what is good for the country. Every president, other than Trump, has done that, for what is good for the country. They present their platform, their ideas, and try to convince people that their ideas are what is best for the country. Today, it is about vindictiveness, and that is not sacrifice through service. Public Service is a sacrifice insomuch as one who spent their lifetime in the military, whether officer or enlisted.

    So, we have a group of people who think government is their own personal bank account. The perfect example is George Soros in that regard followed next by MTG, Matt Gaetz, Hawthorne, and others. There are a few Democrats in there as well, just can't think of the names at the moment since they are not in the news all that often.

    We have a press that is mostly concerned with profit, that is it. There is no "equal time" because the GOP got rid of that when GBW was president. But the press is also much broader than the traditional press such as the Washington Post, NYT, or even the Wall Street Journal, among others, and includes from social media and pure websites as well with their own form of bias. And yes, there is bias amongst the press, whether conservative or liberal, which is why one must look at a variety of sources to be informed. Sadly, most people only look at press that fits their idealogy. That is why conservatives, if listening to Fox or Newsmax, and show a piece in which the car accident on the international bridge between US and Canada was a terrorist attack is why you still see conservtives who think like that, or the incident with the Las Vegas Shooter in 2017 where some conservatives, because of conservative news outlets, said he was suspected of being a member of AQ or some **** like that. And yet, despite the evidence from the police that says otherwise, you still have people believing that sort of ****.

    But due to technology, we can minimize bias from one place I know of that shows the bias of the reporting on topics from all sources and tries to get you a fuller picture. Since we cannot advertise, I will not provide the link, just the name: Ground News. This is what I use to get a variety of viewpoints on certain topics, international or national, and that are trending. It shows the bias of news sources, Some sources are more neutral than others, like The Hill for instance.
     
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    His personality lead him to help violate the law, such as in the Georgia RICO case and the Federal Document case. both of these are serious allegations because in his view, he can do no wrong no matter what. He even tried to rewrite what happened at the South Carolina game where quite a number of fans booed him, very loudly from all reports. Although that is not illegal, the two examples I gave are examples of illegal.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A lot of your previous post makes sense to me. You come up against a lot of folks (including myself) who know for a fact that what Trump did in his four years WAS good for the country! (mean tweets aside)
     

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