Interesting Poll On Vaccine Booster Shots

https://www.yahoo.com/news/many-vaccinated-americans-want-covid-162102906.html

"An Ipsos/Axios survey conducted Aug. 27-30 with a sample of 1,071 adults found that 58% of Americans who have already been vaccinated against the coronavirus said they’d get a booster shot if and when it’s available."

Makes me wonder, what happened to the other 42%? If you've been vaccinated twice already due to doing your civic duty, then why do only 58% of those who have been vaccinated say they would get a booster shot? I mean this figure of fully vaccinated people doesn't even hit Biden's target of 70% and we're only talking about those already fully vaccinated. No anti-vaxxers are in this poll. What's up?

 

That makes sense. We were told we could stop masking, engage in groups and resume "normal" life once the vaccine came to town. Then, we were told that variants were hot on our trail and had to continue all that despite being vaccinated. Now, they are saying we need a booster, BUT, there's a catch...

 

It's not quite the same situation.

Those who have been vaccinated aren't showing up in our ICUs - yet.

I'm astounded at the ridiculous thought processes so many Americans use on healthcare. In some respects it seems close to being sociopathic. COVID is still killing people and damaging our economy. It's causing our ICUs to be unavailable. It's pushing people out of nursing careers as they spend their time helping people die. It's infecting our children.

So, why do Americans REFUSE to take the simple and save actions needed to defend America???

 

Silly people think government can stop a respiratory virus. According to govt science getting the boosters too soon can actually do worse than good and since this Administration is pushing boosters the two top scientists have resigned for the Administration not listening to the science.

Covid infected vaccinated outnumber Covid infected unvaccinated in the UK showing up in hospitals.

With zero long term studies on this novel engineered biotech there is no way you can say it is safe.

 

Science based medicine has found vaccines that give protection against SARS and other viruses. So, you made TWO mistakes in your first sentence. First, it is science based medicine, not "government". Second, solutions HAVE been found for significantly increasing resistance.

The resignations had NOTHING TO DO with the effectiveness of boosters. The disagreements were about how policy is made and communicated.

Yes, there are timing issues with these vaccines. There needs to be a wait time between the two injections of Pfizer's version, for example. And, the timing of boosters will be an issue, too.

But, there are HUGE numbers of medications that have requirements concerning timing, diet, and other factors. And, you don't complain about THAT!!

While it is true that we only have about a year and a half experience with these vaccines, we have had LONGER than that with COVID. And, we KNOW COVID causes significant long term damage in many who contract the disease. So far, the constant studying being applied shows that taking the vaccine is the BIG winner.

 

Some might think of it this way, "How many vaccines do we have to take before we realize that the vaccines are not resolving the problem?" But first, I doubt that the vaccinated are not showing up in the ICUs yet, since it's been reported by the CDC that 15% of those who died from covid in May were vaccinated. Not only that, but the vaccinated themselves can be super-spreaders of covid.

Think about that for a while. We could be creating a whole class of vaccinated people who are themselves spreading the virus.

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/30/cdc-report-shows-vaccinated-people-can-spread-covid-19/

 

I would get a booster

with delta out there, many more people I know that have not got the vaccine are getting sick, I would bet even Trump gets the booster

"Donald Trump recommends people to 'take the vaccine'"

Trump : "I recommend take the vaccines. I did it. It’s good. Take the vaccines"

 

no one I know is getting real sick from delta that has taken the vaccine, many that have not taken the vaccine are, that seems like pretty solid proof to me it's working

 

If the "problem" you are talking about is "remove COVID from Earth", then it does look like we missed the window on that one.

If the "problem" is to help people resist COVID and survive even if they contract it, then vaccines are being highly successful. Having only 15% of the deaths being among those vaccinated is a pretty terrific measure of success, isn't it?

Are you proposing that those vaccinated are MORE ABLE to spread the virus?

If so, I'd like to see a cite on that, as in general being vaccinated has been said to reduce but not eliminate the possibility of spreading the virus.

BTW: Kaiser Family Foundation examined data from each state and reports something RADICALLY different than your claimed 15%.

So PLEASE CITE. I'm REALLY interested in where you found that number, as it would mean my understanding is off the mark.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/

 

think of it like this, if you have a weak immune system, training it may not help as much

kinda like training the Afghanistan army for 20 years....

 

I have medical experience. I understand how vaccines and the immune system work. My post is in answer to @independentthinker's OP about some of the reasons 100% of fully vaccinated people are not too keen on getting the boosters.

 

Oh. Now I totally understand. If you aren't sick then you don't need the vaccine.

 

Can't you guys get Trump out of your mind? He inhabits it 24/7. Why would I even care what Trump says?

 

Trump just said that, is the right no longer listening to Trump? get the vax.....

 

LOL!!!

You need to read up on why people take vaccines, obviously.

 

yeah, I was just continuing that thread of thought

 

I'm not super sure what your point is here.

My guess is that there will be differences in the immunity of people who got vaccinated at the same time.

But, I see no way of refuting that they will be far better off having been vaccinated as long as they are healthy enough to qualify for vaccination.

 

it means if you have a weak immune system and get the vaccine, it may not be as effective as you're training an impaired immune system

if you have a healthy immune system, the vaccine works the best

 

OK. So, I think that means whichever situation, the vaccine is the way to go.

 

This is the CDC source I use.

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/30/cdc-report-shows-vaccinated-people-can-spread-covid-19/​

There are 35,000 symptomatic breakthrough cases each week, the presentation shows.

Up to 15 percent of deaths in May were among vaccinated people, the presentation shows. That contrasts with previous public CDC data showing deaths occur in a tiny number of vaccinated people, just 0.0005 percent.
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Currently, as I read it, of all who die from covid, 85% are unvaccinated, and 15% are vaccinated. However, what's said below is a bit disheartening.

The viral load of vaccinated people with breakthrough cases is the same as in unvaccinated people, the CDC said Friday.

 

exactly

 

Well, I'm sure you know a lot of people, but that's still a pretty small sample to determine if something is working or not working.

According to the CDC, There are 35,000 symptomatic breakthrough cases each week, Up to 15 percent of deaths in May were among vaccinated people, That contrasts with previous public CDC data showing deaths occur in a tiny number of vaccinated people, just 0.0005 percent
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To make matters worse, it has now become apparent that the viral load of vaccinated people with breakthrough cases is the same as in unvaccinated people, making the vaccinated people potential superspreaders. So I would opine that going from bad to worse, and vaccine to vaccine is not something I would label as "working."

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/07/30/cdc-report-shows-vaccinated-people-can-spread-covid-19/​

 

I think it’s about 50-50 in Israel.

 

No, not nearly good enough.

If you want to cite the CDC then cite the CDC - NOT A ROLLCALL BLOG. I don't care what this reporter thinks about the CDC or any of its reports.

I'd point out that the rollcall bit is an amalgam of reports from specific locations, parts claimed to be from the CDC and from other source material at various times. That's not science.

The existence of a breakout in Barnstable County, Massachusetts needs analysis before anyone suggests it has to do with failed vaccine immunity. But, that didn't interest your reporter at all!!

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7032e1.htm
This article discusses a controlled study of people who were previously infected and thus had antibodies for fighting COVID. The study showed that of THOSE individuals, the ones who did not get vaccinated were more than twice as likely to contract COVID than those who were vaccinated.

Thus, the CDC recommends that even those who have recovered from COVID should get the vaccine.

 

Again, that study had no controls that are consistently used by medical science when studying this kind of problem. Thus, there are all kinds of biases against which there is no known defense or analysis at this time.

Specifically, that paper has not even been reviewed.

For you to take THAT instead of well reviewed medical science is a big mistake.

You are just searching around until you find someone who says what you wanted to hear in the first place, and ignoring whether it is science.