Interesting Poll On Vaccine Booster Shots

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  1. fmw

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    We have vaccine resistant strains of the virus. The existing vaccines appear to have some therapeutic benefit. Why bother? If they develop a better vaccine that works on these strains then more vaccination makes sense.
     
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    Yes, it is.

    Yes, they are...

    Me too.

    Covid is killing noone. Covid in and of itself does not kill. Viruses do not damage economies either... It is lockdowns (by Demonkkkrat governors) that are damaging the economy.

    All the jabbed people being put into ICU beds are causing our ICUs to be unavailable. All the unconstitutional, illegal, Nuremberg Code violating jab mandates [causing medical personnel to choose to retire or otherwise quit/get fired rather than taking the jab] are causing a shortage of medical personnel.

    Yes, that's precisely what unconstitutional, illegal, Nuremberg Code violating jab mandates are doing... That's why you're seeing the shortages that you are seeing.

    Yup... COVID does not discriminate.

    There are several valid reasons, including but most certainly not limited to:

    1) The hurried nature of the vaccine development
    2) The not-fully-tested nature of the vaccine
    3) The many reports of the vaccine's side effects being worse than just getting COVID
    4) The belief many have that they already had COVID and are already immune
    5) The belief many have that they are free individuals (with individual rights and liberties endowed by their Creator) and can make their own healthcare decisions. (In leftist lingo, "my body my choice")
    6) The fact that pretty much everything that the media has banged the drums on regarding COVID has been blatant lies/manipulations/misinformation.
    7) Because COVID is a scam and nobody has died from it; no vaccine is needed.
     
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    The "hurried nature" is mostly abject BS. The mRNA vaccine methodology is a significant improvement that has been in development for a long time. It just happened to be available at a time when SARS hit. The "emergency use" direction came after many months of serious testing that was monumentally successful.

    Now, vaccine testing for the major COVID vaccines is fully complete.

    Your 3 is nonsense. First, serious side effects are EXTREMELY rare when compared to the risk of COVID. Second, the VAERS database and others in other countries are constantly being analyzed to find issues. You can not cite statistical evidence that there are ramifications that invalidate the importance of vaccination.

    Immunity derived from having had COVID is NOT NEARLY as good as vaccine based immunity as medical science in several countries has pointed out clearly. Plus, getting COVID is a really bad way of gaining immunity.

    Failing to be vaccinated makes you a risk to others. Our country has huge bodies of law related to requiring behavior that doesn't risk others - drunk driving, etc., etc.

    Your 6 is totally unsupportable.

    Your 7 is just plain BLATANTLY false - and idiotic. There really are people dying of COVID in our hospitals. And, the vast majority of those victims were not vaccinated. If they had been vaccinated, almost every single one of them would be alive today.
     
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    It is not BS. It takes YEARS to test a vaccine. This was very hurried without going through proper testing.

    Nope, it isn't. No long term testing has been done (not enough time has elapsed yet).

    Nope... They are anything BUT "extremely rare" when compared to historical VAERS data.

    Already did.

    LIE. LIE. BLATANT LIE. Natural immunity is MUCH better than vaccine based immunity.

    Nope... Israel is very highly vaccinated. Why is COVID at record numbers in Israel?? The USA is much more vaccinated than it was last year (not vaccinated at all at that point). Why are COVID cases so much HIGHER right now than they were a year ago? Your "medical science" claim is complete and utter BS.

    LIE. ANOTHER BLATANT LIE. Natural immunity is the BEST immunity.

    How?? I am not sick. I cannot spread a disease that I don't have, dude...

    Do YOU have ALL of YOUR vaccinations?? Have you been vaccinated for adenovirus, anthrax, cholera, diphtheria, hepatitis, HPV, flu, measles, meningococcal, mumps, whooping cough, pneumococcal, polio, rabies, rotavirus, rubella, shingles, smallpox, tetanus, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, varicella, yellow fever, etc... ??

    Do YOU submit YOURSELF to weekly testing for all diseases?? How do I know that you don't have a disease at any given moment that you could be spreading to me? YOU are a risk to others until you prove otherwise.

    Drunk driving is a risk to others. --- Medical tyranny is morally abhorrent behavior. It is Satanic.

    I can't support that the media narritive regarding COVID has been lies/manipulations/misinformation??!! Let's just look at the ever shifting narrative, shall we??

    ** just wear a mask for two weeks to "slow the spread", then return to normal
    ** just wear a mask for a few more weeks, then return to normal
    ** just wear a mask until the vaccine comes, then return to normal
    ** just wear a mask until 60% are vaccinated, then return to normal
    ** ... 70% ...
    ** ... 90% ...

    Seems like "return to normal" is unobtainable due to the ever shifting goalposts.

    Seems like the tyrants who installed themselves into power refuse to allow a return to normal... seems like they have a "new world order" agenda... seems like they have a SATANIC morally abhorrent agenda...

    Nobody is dying of COVID... COVID in and of itself does not kill...

    BLATANTLY FALSE. It is the largely the vaccinated that are ending up in hospitals.

    ...... or given ivermectin... or monoclonal antibodies... or hydroxycloroquine... or vitamin D and zinc supplements...
     
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    Wow - you should pick ONE of those and try to support your claim.

    The "Gish Gallop" approach is used by those who have NOTHING.
     
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    Evasion of questions asked...

    How [am I a risk to others]?? I am not sick. I cannot spread a disease that I don't have, dude...

    Do YOU have ALL of YOUR vaccinations?? Have you been vaccinated for adenovirus, anthrax, cholera, diphtheria, hepatitis, HPV, flu, measles, meningococcal, mumps, whooping cough, pneumococcal, polio, rabies, rotavirus, rubella, shingles, smallpox, tetanus, tuberculosis, typhoid fever, varicella, yellow fever, etc... ??

    Do YOU submit YOURSELF to weekly testing for all diseases?? How do I know that you don't have a disease at any given moment that you could be spreading to me? YOU are a risk to others until you prove otherwise.
     
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    It has LONG been known that one can transmit COVID before actually feeling the symptoms.

    >> In other words, you don't know if you have the disease, dude.

    I've been vaccinated against the viruses which I can come in contact with. That has included some that most don't get, due to travel to certain regions.

    I'm vaccinated against all pandemics I could reasonably be expected to be exposed to, as per recommendations of science based medicine.
     
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    I’d be interested in reviewing your evidence for the natural immunity vs. vaccine induced immunity claim.
     
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    You know very well that he has no such evidence.
     
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    Due to the unwarranted hate even still existing against Trump is why.
     
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    It's easy to find on the CDC site.

    https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html
     
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    The very idea that the entire world (not just USA) of science based medicine is giving false answers because of TRUMP is about is silly as it's possible to get.

    Trump may have YOUR balls in a vice, but you can free yourself anytime you want.
     
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    I’m very familiar with that study. It was not designed to nor does it compare natural immunity to vaccine induced immunity. All subjects in that study had natural infection immunity. It compared previously infected individuals that did not get vaccinated after recovery with previously infected individuals that were later vaccinated.

    Now, can you provide evidence I asked for?
     
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    I keep hoping one day someone will surprise me by showing they actually know what they are talking about. So far they remain scoreless in the bottom of the 9th. :)
     
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    You don't know the difference between pharma propaganda and facts. Repetition of falsehoods does not make them become true.
     
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    WRONG. A person cannot transmit a disease that he/she doesn't have. You are fear mongering.

    Not all of them... You are a threat to society. Shame on you.

    Not all of them... You are a threat to society. Shame on you.

    You also do not submit to weekly testing (since breakthrough cases can and DO happen). YOU are a threat to society. Shame on YOU.

    See how that type of nonsensical fear mongering rhetoric works??
     
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    The difference is that I am willing to consider the entire world of science based medicine.
     
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    Being free of symptoms does NOT mean you are free of disease.

    This is true for most disease. You may have cancer right now and not know it. You may have COVID right now and not know it.

    Medical science has determined that although you don't feel sick, you can have enough COVID virus to pass it to others.
    These statements of yours are simply false.

    I have been tested TWICE for COVID since being vaccinated. But, that's irrelevant, merely demonstrating how you apply your ignorance.

    I fully follow the guidelines of science base medicine.

    As with ALL medicine we have in the entire western world, that isn't perfect.

    But, it is known to be far better than the ignorance of failing to take those measures.
     
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    Yes, it does.

    I do not have cancer. I do not have COVID. I am 100% healthy. I have no symptoms. I am not sick with anything.

    Why do you live your life in fear?

    "Medical science", eh?? Mhmmmmm, suuuuuuuuuuure.......... Stop fear mongering.

    No, they aren't. You are not fully vaccinated. You do not submit to testing. You are a threat to society. You are a walking COVID bomb. I don't want you spreading your COVID disease around to me.

    Big whoop... That says nothing about right now... How do I know you don't have COVID right now?? You need to submit to much more testing than that... I expect you to submit to daily testing to make sure that you aren't spreading your COVID cooties around to me... I also expect you to submit to daily testing for influenza, HIV, HPV, TB, hepatitis, and a long list of other diseases... How do I know that you don't have any of THOSE diseases right now?? I don't feel safe around you. You need to stop being a superspreader and start getting ALL of your vaccinations and start doing DAILY tests before you go out anywhere.

    This is "the land of the free and the home of the brave", right?? ;) ;)

    Rules for thee but not for me, eh?? Typical communist lingo...

    No, you don't. You don't wear a mask everywhere. You don't socially distance all the time. You don't have enough vaccinations. You don't test NEARLY often enough... You are a threat to society and you should lose your job, receive no government benefits, be denied medical care, and be shunned from society because of it.

    Isn't communism GREAT??!!

    YOU are failing to take the necessary measures to protect ME from YOU.

    See above.

    Do you still support communism?
     
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    Interesting Poll On Vaccine Booster Shots

    The medical community doesn't operate from polls or opinions. It operates from data. There is no data that booster shots are indicated. They are working on it.
     

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