Internet Tax passes senate

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  1. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is it fair that people making online purchases have to pay for shipping? brick and mortar stores dont have to make people pay for shipping as the purchaser is handling that themselves. Seems they have the advantage now.
    Also, I purchase gifts online for family that lives in NH. Should I be forced to pay MA sales tax for something that someone in NH is actually getting?
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let them move; there are plenty of new businesses to replace them.
     
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    Who is going to replace them? An American internet company that has to charge you sales tax will lose to the off-shore company that doesn't.
     
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    Don't be so sure.

    There are a finite number of conservatives who are willing to start a business.

    If they all move somewhere else don't expect Obama voters who are used to being taken care of by the government to replace those lost companies.
     
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    You are mistaken. The ones who do UNDER $1million in sales are exempt from the sales tax. They're going after the giants, like Amazon.

    It's not Congress that makes state sales taxes anyway, complain to your state legislators.
     
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    That is the camel's nose under the tent.

    Once the precedent has been established it's a simple matter for a future Democrat congress to lower the bar to include every Internet sale.
     
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    Other non-internet companies will replace them. Just because some companies move out of country doesn't mean the end of the world for us.
     
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    Democrats are going to start companies and pay taxes to the government?

    I don't think so.

    You will have foreign based EBAY's providing the platform and the greedy government employees collecting no taxes.
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    Other non-internet companies? It's the non-internet companies that are pushing this because they are losing business to the internet and their non-taxes. All you do is shift American money overseas as they provide a tax-free zone.

    It will eventually lead to federal law banning internet companies from selling to American customers unless they are first cleared to do so by some new Overseas Internet Watch bureaucracy. I don't think [well I hope not] that they will get as heavy-handed as they did when they passed the UIGEA, but one of the underlying concerns with that was that they couldn't regulate it and tax it, so they shut it down.
     
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    Thanks Democrats!!!
     
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    I agree and all income should be taxed as income
     
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    Of course, you should and probably do. Get your lazy butt off the couch and drive to NH if you want to avoid the tax.
     
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    Obama and the Democrats have figured out yet another way to stiffle the economy.
     
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    You are mistaken. The giants are paying the taxes now. 50% of the sales are taxed. Amazon is pushing for this bill. The bill is going after the companies below the giants and above $1 million in sales. Amazon and the other giants want those below them to pay the same tax so that the giants can get back their advantage in volume. Many below the giants probably have lower overhead and can sell at a little lower price. Increase their overhead and the giants get back their advantage.

    The giants are hurting main street shops and this bill will make it worse.
     
  15. AlphaOmega

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    Why do lefties always have to result to namecalling and personal attacks. Is it because they arent smart enough to actually argue the point? Rhetorical.
    The item isnt for me ( a MA resident) nor will it be used in MA by a MA resident therefore the tax isnt applicable to me. If I buy an item from an online company residing in NH for a person in NH you explain to me why I should be required to pay MA sales tax for that item.
    Your argument fails unless you provide a cogent response.
    Also, dont you lefties want to always save the earth from global warming? why would you want me to waste all the fossil fuel and drive to NH spewing out all that CO2 when I could simply hit "enter" from my couch?
    Lastly Im not lazy. I think youve confused me with the lazy leftist occuturds who sit at home sucking off people like me who actually go to work.
     
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    If I order something from a store in another state I would have pay that states sales tax. As I understand it the sales tax paid by the person of the internet is the state they are residing in when they make the purchase. That is not equitable in the least.
     
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    You guys are too much and too dumb. No wonder you vote Republican. Nothing gets passed in the Senate without Republicans allowing it. We can only hope that enough tea party and liberals in the House wake up to what is happening.
     
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    OMG, referring to your lazy butt is name calling and a personal attack. Grow some, please.

    The item isnt for me ( a MA resident) nor will it be used in MA by a MA resident therefore the tax isnt applicable to me.

    You are a MA resident buying a product. If you go downtown to buy it, you pay the tax. Just because you are buying it online, you are still buying it in MA (answer to your NH online buy, too). I was saying that if you went to NH and bought it there, you would not pay a tax unless you can't handle doing something illegal. If you are buying from one of the giants, you are already paying the tax.

    Also, dont you lefties want to always save the earth from global warming? Why would you want me to waste all the fossil fuel and drive to NH spewing out all that CO2 when I could simply hit "enter" from my couch?

    I don't want you to go to NH. I want you to pay your MA tax.

    Maybe I will give up on my opposition to the bill just to hurt you.
     
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    No, you are suppose to pay your state sales tax. If you go there to buy it, you may be breaking the law by not paying your home state's tax. I am not sure any of you know today whether you had sales taxes taking out on your items. It seems people are talking about the bill without knowing what happens today.
     
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    Wrong, I am a MA resident buying something from a NH company for a NH resident. The tax is not my burden as the item is not for me (a MA resident) nor will it be used in MA. You didnt respond to that.
    And yes telling me to get off my lazy butt and drive to NH is a personal attack. Ask any adult.
    I live in MA, aka TAXACHUSETTS do you think you could scare me with not opposing online sales taxes? go for it brah. Get all seattle occupy on the sicheasion. LOL.
     
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    Do you have reading comprehension problems? "Just because you are buying it online, you are still buying it in MA (answer to your NH online buy, too).
     
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    Look I know plenty of Republican Senators voted yes on this bill the majority of the yea votes are Democrat and 22 of the 27 nay votes are from Republicans. Remember though that Obama controls 1/3 of the process. He will decide to sign or not sign a bill and he has been pushing this.
     
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    Actually, my comprehension is perfect. Yours is a bit tarnished. I'll say it one more time, it was purchased from an online company that resides in NH NOT Ma. Sales tax is on the end user brah, the end user in this case lives in NH where the item was purchased from. That end user is not responsible for MA sales tax. Thats why you cant buy a car in NH and register in MA without paying the sales tax.
     
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    Ah, I saw on some article, can't find it now, where it stated the opposite. Twice in one day, mis-informed. Not good. Thanks for the clarification.

    Congress is enacting this bill to make them collect sales tax, state legislators didn't do that. Besides, saying anything to those folks is pointless because they are all bought and could careless what us peons think.
     
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    I stand corrected, you are correct. I based it on not having to pay sales tax in a couple of other states but that was because I was buying AND receiving the property in that state.

    I see a small cottage industry popping up soon. For high priced items where someone would pay hundreds of dollars in sales taxes I can see some people setting up businesses where you buy an item online through a third party company which would be located in a sales tax free state and they would in turn just ship it too you.
     

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