Internet Tax passes senate

Dems have a majority in the senate but you still want to blame the Republican minority for bills you don't like?

 

"Nothing gets passed in the Senate without Republicans allowing it."

With the filibuster rule, is this not true? Much less getting it thru the House.

 

What is fair about it?

 

So you are into making up stuff. When you go into a store and buy something, the clerk does not care that you are buying it for someone in another state. You pay the damn MA sales tax. But you think that online should be different. You reside in MA and anytime that you do not pay MA sales tax on a purchase, it is illegal. You can get away with not paying that tax at times but it is still illegal.

 

Not blame....CREDIT.

If not for Glenn Beck-endorsed guys like Jeff Flake voting for cloture on the bill....it never would have gotten voted on.

Thanks, Jeff....and Glenn!

 

I agree with it, why should internet companies not have to follow the same rules as brick and mortar businesses. No outrage here.

 

I really have mixed emotions on this tax. For one I hate it because it would cost me more money and I do a lot of Internet shopping. But I realize it hurts local business and cities hard. Stores like Best Buy are really hurt, as is small business. Cities lose a lot of money I know they desperately need.

 

yeah the point you cant understand is Im not buying anything from someone in MA. Im buying it from someone in NH for someone in NH. Why does Ma get the tax since the seller nor the end user are in MA? Stop the strawman and answer

 

Well, you bought it. No matter what you want to say about "end user", you are wrong. You buy a TV and 5 years later you give in to someone in another state. You do not get MA sales tax back. Tell your friend in NH to buy the product and you will pay him/her the entire price. Then you do not pay MA sales tax.

Stop the strawman argument.

 

3 Strawman you are out. You once again changed the scenario to fit your argument. I not once said I would buy something, use it for 5 years then try to get my sales tax back.
But dont take my word for it. Let look at the Mass.gov/dor tax law
Sales Tax
The Massachusetts sales tax is 6.25 percent of the sales price or rental charge of tangible personal property or certain telecommunications services sold or rented in the Commonwealth. The Massachusetts use tax is 6.25 percent of the sales price or rental charge on tangible personal property (including phone and mail order items or items purchased over the Internet) or certain telecommunications services on which no sales tax, or a sales tax rate less than the 6.25 percent Massachusetts rate, was paid and which is to be used, stored or consumed in the Commonwealth

I stated I bought something from a company in NH to be used by someone in NH, the product never crosses the MA border nor will ever be used here by a MA resident.
I am correct.

 

Do brick and mortars collect sales tax for the states of every customer that comes in? So if a customer comes into a CA store from MINN does the customer pay CA sales tax, MINN sales tax or both?

 

They pay the CA tax.

 

My, when you buy it, you should take MA to court to get back your tax. You will lose and spend more money than the tax but you might feel better. Nobody is going to set up a system to determine your intent when you BUY something in MA.

I still believe that, even the law, considers you the consumer. If you noticed, the law talks about sales tax and use tax. Use tax would only apply if the sales tax was not paid at the time of purchase. You purchased it online while living in MA. No store cares what you do with it after you purchase it and online transactions should be the same.

 

If you buy it in NH, you pay no tax that is why MA has a tax form requiring you to report a use tax on anything that was not charged a MA sales tax at time of purchase. If MN has the same form, you might be legally required to pay both but that would only happen if you are a honest person.

 

Dude, I just posted the MA tax law from the Mass/dor website. They agree with me. Four strawmans in a row for the exact same thing is PF first. The item never entered MA ever. This argument is over. The law is there in black and white and this argument is over in a most matter of fact way. If you refuse to accept the stated current tax law from the state and people who collect the tax then anything else is a waste of skin cells.
And if you cant set a system up to determine if an item is to be used in state or out of state from an internet purchase then you definitely have no business trying to set up a system to collect taxes for it.

 

There is no discrepancy in how brick and mortar and online companies are taxed now. Online companies just like brick and mortar have to collect sales tax from in state purchasers just like brick and mortar shops do. Both are free to ship outside of their state without having to collect sales taxes for the other states. This practice has been with us since Sears was founded, and there is good reason - to avoid Balkanization. Sales taxes can change hundreds of times in a year. How often are they supposed to be checking in. How high will penalties be in each jurisdiction for a late fee if someone sends the payment a week late by mistake? $50 for each county? state? They haven't delved into it? What about call in orders? Mail ins outside of the website? How do you work out refunds under their current a 3rd party software developer collects and pays it to the government for a commission scheme they set up?

One million is a small retail business probably employing 3 people.

9.60% - average national sales tax
2.9% - merchant transaction fees for that volume through Paypal
1000000 total retail sales floor for law
=$96000 in taxes consumers never had to pay before
= $2784 in direct new costs for the smallest business covered just in transaction costs. If they are able to run a generous gross profit of 10%, that is 3% of profits in a weak economy.

That is before you add in the cost of implementation. Overstock implemented it at a cost of 700k and have a report about it. Congress isn't even sure if they will make it available for a variety of e-commerce +platforms. They certainly won't keep up with the market. After all, these are the people who failed to get a database together for our disabled vets after 13 years and few hundred million.

Consumers for the entire history of our nation have been free of this tax. If the states, counties and cities want to force their own citizens to pay their sales tax scheme that is fine, they can tax it for all in jurisdiction purposes, but they cannot not reach out demand collection activities from people outside of their borders. It is a norm of American politics.

If brick and mortar mom and shops are not taking advantage of selling on the Internet it is no one's fault but their own, the Internet is not a fad. But this is not a protection for them, it is a protection for big box stores that suddenly find themselves competing with 1000s of small shops operating in niches who are experts in their respective fields and price competitive. A robust online marketplace serves the interest of everyone.

Politicians will throw out the old line of "Teachers, firefighters, and police officers". Don't believe it. They use this line because everyone respects these people. There is plenty of money out there for them already though. What they really mean is "bureaucrats, staffers, lobbyists, and administrators". If teachers, firefighters and police officers got every new tax sold in their name they would be the wealthiest people in the world. Believe that.

But it is really bad software, you wouldn't want to stick people with that garbage would you? Check it out:
http://www.pointofviewfarm.net/Point_of_View_Farm/Wool,_Sheepskins,_Yarn_and_MORE!.html

and pushed on people by shysters:
http://pmanewsline.com/2011/08/04/i...p-with-main-street-fairness-act/#.UXo-y8oTSjI
(compare what our concerned citizen's real job is
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/sten-wilson/50/503/b72

 

Democrats (liberals) never scream about tax increases because tax hikes always benefit the poor.

Hopefully those on welfare will be exempt from internet taxes.

 

Agreed. The working poor pay plenty of taxes for their liberal government. Is obam still selling a tax on cigs for the children again? As if kids smoke?

The best is whe liberals say it is "for the smokers health" I think I would be better off spending it on my higher insurance premiums and lung cancer research.