Investigating the Jan 6 th Uprising.

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  1. glitch

    glitch Well-Known Member

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    Well that sure ain't no smoking gun. Sounds like they're looking at what legal options were still possibilities - "pursuant to state law." But perhaps if enough of the rioters had stolen coat hangers they could have stormed the castle.
     
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    MiaBleu Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. we are way past "slogans" of any kind
     
  3. Egoboy

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    I will note your lack of understanding the concept of "smoking gun". This is a sitting US Senator calling for states to generate different slates of electors with zero basis for doing so...

    It seems the 2 states that put the caveats in their fake elector scheme (NM and PA) are on much safer ground than those that used official state seals and no caveats to send forged documents to Washington. I'm a little surprised each state isn't prosecuting separately (for speed purposes), but I also understand the need to treat the matter as a larger conspiracy instead of 7 separate attempts at sedition...
     
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    Yes because discussing possible legal options should put persons in jail. /sarcasm
     
  5. Egoboy

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    Discussing is rarely illegal.... Actions certainly can be... Legality of the actions taken is now under federal review...
     
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    Yeah a hack political committee is going to find something there that the professional investigatory branches missed. This is just politics intended to present some kind of dirt report just before the next election. They're desperately trying to keep 12-06 in the news.
     
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  7. Hey Now

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    Well, the Republican Congressional Members did not want an independent committee, so, The House was left to do due diligence with minimal GOP participation.
     
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    Conspiracy to commit a crime can certainly land you in jail.
     
  9. Egoboy

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    Uhh... the DOJ is currently investigating this, although it was the 1/6 committee (and various state AG's) that forced the issue...

    I'll wait for the obligatory Deep State/DOJ post I know is coming...

    And I'm not sure why anybody would want to keep 12-06 in the news, unless you celebrate Day Before Pearl Harbor day in your house...
     
  10. Egoboy

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    Of course... that's one of the best exceptions to "discussing is rarely illegal"
     
  11. glitch

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    Your article does not mention a DOJ investigation of these texts as they appear to be completely legal and above board. Of course the Jan 6 committee is going after them. The committee has stated they intend to release their report just before the election. Clearly they believe this is politically advantageous and they have little else to run on.
     
  12. Egoboy

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    Sorry, thought this was common knowledge (investigating fake electors, not the Lee texts specifically)... It was a medium sized story in the day, but perhaps a transgender swimmer was getting all your attention??

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/591379-deputy-ag-doj-investigating-fake-trump-electors/
     
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    "The campaign was throwing enough sh-t at the wall to see what would stick."

    Yeah I agree with that statement. The texts you brought up seem to be one of those conversations as to what legal methods they still had open to them.
     
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    Lee was one of the few actually smart enough to measure his coup thoughts by bringing up state legislatures appointing alternate slates of electors.... which of course, is still a coup attempt, since there was no legal rationale for doing so.. and not what ended up happening...

    So, as far as I can tell, he's not on the record (with these texts) as advocating for anything illegal, just supremely unamerican...

    Congratulations Kroeger, you're at the top of the Delta pledge class...
     
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    Yeah they threw all **** they could come up with at the wall, decided which were legal and had any merit and did their best to run with those. I imagine that's probably pretty similar to what the lawyers for Al and Hill did after they lost their election bids.
     
  16. Egoboy

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    They ceased efforts to litigate election issues well before the states certification date. Anything (and everything) that happened after that is uniquely GOP 2020 (2021)....
     
  17. Egoboy

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    These will finally be hearings worth watching...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-attempt-coup-focus-u-110820018.html

    And best of all, no disruptions or distractions from the MAGA crew

    Very curious how they will put this all together.... Probably like impeachment.... Each committee member will be given a specific coup topic.

    I hope they don't overly-focus on Jan 6th itself, since that day turned out to be a relatively tiny part of the coup.
     
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    Okay, so they did it for longer. Likely the next close election the lawyers for whichever side will probably fling **** for even longer. Records were made to be broken.
     
  19. Egoboy

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    In a football game, do you think it's a good idea for the offense to be huddling and calling plays after the game is over?
     
  20. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    If that was done why isn't somebody being prosecuted for forgery?
     
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    Can if they want to. It'd be kinda silly. Many would say these lawyers were silly trying to find more legal options after the election was over. But they can if they want to.
     
  22. Egoboy

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    The impacted states have apparently agreed to let the DOJ investigate it as a conspiracy against the US case instead of each state prosecuting individually. I'm not sure why each state couldn't proceed simultaneously, but that seems to be the path for now...

    Here's the Michigan AG on the rationale (which discusses the potential state forgery charges at the bottom)

    https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-g...l-i-may-charge-fake-gop-electors-if-feds-dont
     
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    One question I have here is why are the PARTY functionaries, who rather obviously have something of a conflict of interest if they are saying who won what election, involved in this process at all? Parties aren't part of the government, they're their own thing. They're NOT in the Constitution and most of the Founding Fathers, including particularly George Washington, didn't really think they were that good of an idea at all.
     
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    What's even worse than saying who won what election, parties are allowed to determine their own voters...

    I guaran-damn-tee you the Founders wouldn't have thought that a good idea either...

    Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others...
     
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    One of Lee's home state newspapers just pointedly called him a liar on this topic (In a very nice way).... which he is..... on this topic

    SNIP
    The text messages establish that Lee was not being truthful when he said he was only made aware of the plan four days before Jan. 6.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/editorial/2022/04/19/saturdays-utah-state/
     

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