Iran attacking Israel

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  1. The Scotsman

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    probably not at all...isn't its exports mostly on barter trade with China?
     
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    Sucking up? Your government is full of liars, so that's doubtful.

    As for oil prices, I'm sure that's part of why your lying, scheming government has been stirring up this trouble for Israel in the first place. It creates economic problems for the west and helps your lying, scheming government raise more money from selling ruZzian oil.

    Now, I doubt Israel will touch your oil infrastructure (that's Ukraine's gig anyway), but they sure will deal with Iran's. In fact, they will take Iran to school very shortly.
     
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    In reality, Iran sells its oil all over the world. Even the U.S. buys Iranian oil under the guise of .... , for example, like Romanian oil.
    But even if we assume that Iran supplies oil exclusively to China, even in this case, China will enter other oil markets to compensate for these supplies, which will push oil prices into space.
    However, Scotland has already closed its last refinery.
     
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    no it doesn't....it's main trades are barter deals with China
     
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    I'd like to order 1 million barrels destroyer. How much is delivery to UK?
     
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    no it won't as China is predominantly supplied by Russia on a barter/yuan basis
     
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    Ahahaha... Read what Kissinger said about Israel's prospects for existence. I'm sure he had a better grasp of foreign policy than you do. And Kissinger is Jewish.
    And yes, it is economically beneficial to Russia. The Houthis have practically closed the Suez Canal, and this reinforces the importance and influence of the Northern Sea Route. If Israel retaliates against Iran, it will drive up oil prices. And that will destroy the European economy, especially since the Western idiots blew up Nord Stream.
    So it's all good. Let's stock up on popcorn.
     
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    Lol thank you for confirming your hatred of Poles. Who you a bigot? Lol. So you don't like Poles.

    1.My ancestry is Ashkenazi Jewish so I can trace my relatives to the Pale which flipped and flopped between German, Russian and Polish states. My grandfather on my mother's side spoke 14 languages and studied at a University in Austria when he because he was a Jew was drafted into the WW1 German army and pulled from the school which passed laws saying he could not be a Jew graduate student.

    He was shot in the back by his own soldiers when they found out he was a Jew. The Russians found him and given his bullet holes kept him alive and sent him to a POW camp in Vladivostok. There he found out about a Chinese government official allowing Jews of Europe to flee to Shanghai. He switched places with a prison guard because the guard got more food as a pow than he was getting as a soldier guarding the camp. He then made his way back to the village where his fiance lived. Her village was burned down in a pogrom and because she was small they hid her under a pile of dead bodies. It was a miracle he foudn her and off they went to Shanghai which is another story.

    My relatives survived pogroms in all kinds of countries. You are well aware everyone hated Jews. In Ukraine I had relatives who witnessed fellow Ukrainians starved to death by Stalin while many joined the Nazis to fight the Soviet Red Army for that reason. Anti semitic Ukrainians could have been pro German or pro Soviet.

    My relatives were also holocaust victims and resistance fighters. What I was taught by my grandfather before he died was that evil humans come in every variation but so do good humans and as a Jew it would be too easy to hate all Europeans who supported either Nazis or Soviets.

    He taught me what a righteous gentile was. He said remember them as much as you do the Nazis or Soviets, Remember those who hated us so that we do not allow it to happen again to us, but never forget the righteous because they will be the people we reach out to and they will reach out to us to form groups to help each other in times of need.

    So unlike you I do not automatically smeer all Poles even though many remain anti semitic. I do not smeer all Ukrainians because some supported Nazis and others Stalin. I do not advocate your hatred.

    I reach out today to Ukrainians in their time of need. If Poland is invaded by Russia I would support them.

    I support people like Durandal on this forum because of our family blood spilled by haters such as you.

    One day Ukraine will be free and Israel will find away to reach out to non terrorist Muslims and achieve peaceful coexistence in spite of people like you.

    That you can be sure. It is our common sense of decency and mutual respect not hate that will bind us to this achievement.

    As for Netanyahu being a Pole by ancestry he has never denied it nor is he ashamed of it just like there are many Russian, Ukrainian and other nationalities of Jews based on their relatives or themselves if they are first generation. I say to that SO PHACKING WHAT. Clearly diversity frightens you.

    That might explain the inbreeding behind these neo fascist movements.
     
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    It's not the end of the world if oil prices go up, purveyor. If you want to keep pushing things like this, you will come to regret it even more than you regret going all blitzkrieg in Ukraine.
     
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    We'll see.
     
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    Heard about the attack last night. Woke up this morning hoping to see Tehran reduced to a smoking ruin, but sadly it's still there.
     
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    Unfortunately they won't defend themselves properly, thanks to the Biden administration and its sleazy undercover support of Iran.
     
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    Ahahaha... You can't do anything but puff up your cheeks. And the whole world sees it. Even NATO country Turkey (first NATO army in Europe) wants to join BRICS.
    The West has imposed 11,500 types of sanctions against Russia - so what? Russians have only started to earn more, Russia's trade surplus has grown, the growth of industry is greater than even China's - the biggest in the world. Russians have increased their territory by five new regions and will soon increase even more. And this is despite the fact that the west has stocked the Ukrainian fascists with all kinds of weapons. .... You can't do anything. You are politically and economically bankrupt. :roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    the problem with that is it will burn assets in place if they are used too heavily; those would a one time use, as was the assassinations. They should wait and just use those as last resorts and use conventional warfare for the time being.
     
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    lol I love reading insane fantasy tales.

    Texas has a bigger GDP than Russia, and with a population of some 30 million or so to Russia's 140 million. Keep laughing. lol they can't even drive Ukraine off, and it's been what, going on two months? Please, stay off the dope. The gimps are having to import drones from Iran, another demented failed state.
     
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    Yeah, yeah. We know about the American economy of waiters, dog groomers and Facebook.:roflol::roflol::roflol:
    Incidentally, the author of the term GDP, Simon Kuznets, called the figure insignificant for measuring the economy.
    For example, the capitalization of Facebook is higher than the capitalization of Gazprom. If Facebook disappears, no one will notice. If Gazprom disappears, the world will collapse.
    So, go and learn the material part and don't write nonsense about GDP.
     
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    Iran has shown its hand after missile blitz on Israel & they'll face the consequences, says expert
     
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    lol no.
     
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    If you want to listen to intelligent ppl on YouTube then you can't go wrong with Noam..he shuts down all Israeli claims to the land

     
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    War is unpredictable. We shall see.
     
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    With due respect the US under Biden has a right to disagree with Netanyahu over certain things. Its normal. The fact is the US when the doors is no supporter of Iran or Hezbollah or Hamas.

    Israel does not expect Biden or Harris to kiss Netanyahu's ass. You underestimate Israelis who will not kiss his ass either. Bottom line-blowing Iran to smithereens will kill of the pro Westerners in Iran needed to rebuild the country and they exist just like they do in Lebanon and both Israel and the US know that.

    Your military is appreciated in containing Iran.

    I am sorry I do not buy into Trump. His comments about blaming Jews if he loses or calling Jews crazy for not voting for him was not appreciated. Ask me. I have no problem with any American telling us try for peace. When they say it they do not say-try for peace by exposing yourself to terrorism or death. So Americans who always support Israel they have the right to try help find peace for both sides.

    I defend the right of Israel to exist and defend itself against terrorists. I defend the right of any American or human to try help Palestinians find a way to get rid of their dream of eliminating Israel and instead pursuing a peaceful state beside Israel and to do that of course they need all our help, Jews, Muslims, the American government. We sure as hell don't get that help from the UN, Russia, China. Who else fights terrorism the way the US does?

    Good friends criticize and push each other to excellence. Biden is no enemy of Israel. Like many Israeli politicians he finds Netanyahu to be a narcissistic obnoxious rude guy. Its true he is. He couldn't have become the PM of Israel if he wasn't.

    Look I am no fan of Netanyahu BUT that is over domestic issues not the war. Israel's military operations are not and have never been unilaterally commanded by the PM. Its done by a committee and anything on the ground that could endanger soldiers is not left to politicians. Its a method where a lot of discretion is given to officers on the ground even at the Colonel, Major and Captain levels to flex to fluid developments.

    Putin is manipulating Iran to defocus from Ukraine, The US, Ukraine and Israel know it.
     
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    The problem is not palestinians it is likkuds, who seek to create greater Israel and they will do anything to destroy anybody that tries to stop them achieving this.

    The answer, if you want a peaceful palestinian to live alongside, is to get rid of the far right that seeks greater Israel (Jordan, Gaza and west bank).

    My guess is most israelis actually want greater Israel.

    As a Brit, we can see this. Israelis know nothing about empire and colonization and it shows. Time to reign your necks in and play your part. You are not warriors. You are merchants. You are confusing yourselves with The Lion of Judah, the king of the jungle.
     
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    Israel-Iran conflict: 'This missile attack achieved nothing militarily,' says Prof Michael Clarke
     
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    Again as much as I hate that attack Durandal I agree it was a symbolic save face kind of thing. That said, and you know what I think of Iran and I do not want any Israelis exposed to Iran, if that attack prevented some of those missiles being used in Ukraine later on, good.

    The Ukraine and Israel battles are being waged as you know against the same enemy and not just Iran but China and Russia.
     
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    I do wonder if a kinetic war or even the threat of it between Iran and Israel will keep Iranian missiles away from Russia. It's an interesting point to consider. I suppose that would be the other side of the blade cutting back if Russia and Iran were hoping to reduce aid to Ukraine by drawing more American/western resources into this Middle East conflict instead.
     

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