This is how debates work : You make the assertion [of Chomsky being questionable] therefore the burden of proof is on you, not I. I've never made such silly statements therefore iCant back up what iHavent said. But you knew this. It appears that all these Jewish scholars are misguided, in your opinion. You've certainly built a strong case for "Jewish feeble mindedness" here. If only David duke was reading this, he'd be proud of you.
That comment by @zalekbloom is not intended to address the topic at hand. @zalekbloom can't refute anything I've written and supported so he likes to bait me because I'm a military Veteran whose first loyalty is to the US and not Israel. Hence his puerile dig: "It is amazing how some people who claim they are American patriots and military veterans who care about American soldiers suddenly forgot that Hezbollah murdered 241 American service members" What many don't know is that only Mossad could have procured the military grade explosives that were used in the Marine Barracks bombing. That, alone, doesn't prove that Mossad bombed the barracks but it's been confirmed by a former Mossad officer that Israel knew of the attacks but chose to withhold the knowledge , let the attack occur and manipulate the US into fighting Hezbollah for "Greater Israel". Even though the article #1 below has been predictably censored, there's plenty of evidence and history to show that our "ally" knew when and where the bombing would occur but chose to withhold the information to deceive America into fighting Hezbollah for Israel. Thanks, 1. “CSI Forensics Proves Who Killed US Marines - Evidence shows Israel is Guilty! http://www.trionfopublishing.com/cache/forensics.htm By Ralph Forbes EXCRPT “The Beirut bombing that killed 241 U.S. Marines was "the largest non-nuclear explosion in history," according to General Paul X. Kelley, past-Commandant of the Marine Corps.” CONTINUED The "official version" put out by the federal government still repeated today was that the explosion was caused by a truck loaded with "2,000 pounds of dynamite" rammed the building. No one with any knowledge of explosives believed the "official version, because that explosion could not have been caused by TNT, just as fuel oil can't melt steel; or as General Parton proved, a Ryder truck of fertilizer could not bring down the Murrah building. Against the evidence and common sense, immediately, the blame was laid on "terrorists almost certainly Hezbollah" - and guilt by word association blaming two of Israel's bitterest enemies, Iran and Syria. But the official story never tells you. The Mossad had advance knowledge of the notorious suicide bombing in Beirut but didn't pass on that information to American intelligence. By Way of Deception, Confessions of ex-Mossad agent, Victor Ostrovsky. "Intelligence lies are like the Russian dolls, open one, find another. The real story - like 911 - is even worse than they knew but didn't warn us." U.S. military intelligence's equivalent of CSI (Crime Scene Investigators), using the most sophisticated, high tech diagnostic tests, forensically examined evidence found at the scene of the terrorist explosion that killed 241 U.S. Marines in Beirut - They know where the bomb came from, but the stunning truth has been suppressed for 23 years. Even without full disclosure of those test results, experts on explosives and terrorism believe more than enough proof exists to establish who is guilty. The truck that blew up the Marine Barracks was loaded with 666 pounds of enhanced RDX "rag bombs."CONTINUED 2. "Israel Kept ’83 Bomb Plot From U.S., Book Says" https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-09-13-mn-390-story.html WASHINGTON — EXCERPT "Israel could have prevented the bombing that killed 241 Marines in Lebanon in 1983 but it chose not to give the Americans details of the plot, according to a book about Israel’s fabled Mossad intelligence agency. The book, “By Way of Deception: The Making and Unmaking of a Mossad Officer,” was written by Victor Ostrovsky, a Canadian-born artist who grew up in Israel and said he served in the agency for four years starting in 1983. At the request of the Israeli government, a New York state judge issued an order Wednesday temporarily barring St. Martin’s Press from distributing the book. A similar order was obtained this week in Canada." CONTINUED 3. "Israel Charged With Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines" http://www.wrmea.org/1995-march/israel-charged-with-systematic-harassment-of-u.s.-marines.html EXCERPT “General R.H. Barrow charged that Israeli troops were deliberately threatening the lives of Marines serving as peacekeepers in Lebanon. There was, he wrote, a systematic pattern of harassment by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) that was resulting in "life-threatening situations, replete with verbal degradation of the officers, their uniform and country." Barrow's letter added: "It is inconceivable to me why Americans serving in peacekeeping roles must be harassed, endangered by an ally...It is evident to me, and the opinion of the U.S. commanders afloat and ashore, that the incidents between the Marines and the IDF are timed, orchestrated, and executed for obtuse Israeli political purposes." CONTINUED
Moving on from the silly fake news above, Claims Swirl Around Israeli Strikes Very Near Russia’s Air Base In Syria Thomas Newdick Thu, October 3, 2024 at 12:45 PM CDT Israeli conducted strikes near the Syrian coast this morning, with explosions reported in the vicinity of the Russian-operated Khmeimim Air Base, near the city of Latakia. At this stage, it’s not clear if the Russian airfield was actually hit, deliberately or otherwise — which would be a first. Either way, however, the attacks represent a notable escalation in terms of Israel’s willingness to prosecute targets that are very close to this key Russian military facility in Syria and a major point of pride for Moscow. Initial accounts from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights (SOHR), a U.K.-based information office, describe attacks in the coastal Latakia province, with targets including an ammunition warehouse said to be near Jablah city, not far from Khmeimim Air Base. Weapons supplied by Iran and destined for Hezbollah, its Lebanese ally and proxy, often are delivered first to Syria, for onward transit to Lebanon. The suggestion here is that Iranian munitions headed for the militant group were targeted soon after they arrived in Syria. According to Israel Defense Forces (IDF) spokesperson Avichay Adraee, Hezbollah has been recently smuggling weapons into Lebanon from Syria via the Masnaa border crossing. ... https://news.yahoo.com/news/claims-swirl-around-israeli-strikes-174506699.html How far will the Kremlin go to support the anti-Zionist terrorists and how far will Israel go over the Kremlin's red bluff lines? The US may be giant ******* when it comes to challenging ruZzia's aggression and support for terrorism, but it seems Israel has chutzpah.
According to the following videos, it looks like a good number of Iranian missiles aimed at Israel's military airbases (targeting F-35s & base infrastructure) found their target. Iran says most of their missiles got through, while Israel says the opposite. https://x.com/Haman_Ten/status/1779322467888111971 https://news.sky.com/video/share-13226177 https://yandex.com/video/preview/3570372735199914377 https://yandex.com/video/preview/9611465675713678219 https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1779307688628769023
Well, I guess some people have weak memory, @zalekbloom refuted many fake facts you posted here by using academia sources or simple logic. For example your claim that 'Zionists' control Wikipedia is illogical, because Wikipedia contains plenty of negative information about Israel. You claimed that Nazis taught Zionists to kill Arabs, but Academia sources shows that it was Palestinians cooperated with Nazis and more. According to US government Hezbollah killed 241 U.S. military personnel, including 220 Marines, 18 sailors, and three soldiers in a terrorist bombing of the Marine Corps barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, according to your source - it was Israel. And what is your source? It is: http://www.trionfopublishing.com/cache/forensics.htm For sure you knew that clicking of this link we will get: so why do you posted it? My guess it is a link for gullible lazy people who will not check the link, but trust yours headers: 1. “CSI Forensics Proves Who Killed US Marines - Evidence shows Israel is Guilty! BTW - this is what chatGPT told me about www.trionfopublishing.com: The only EVIDENCE that Israel Kept ’83 Bomb Plot From U.S. is from Victor Ostrovsky book and somehow no other evidence exists, but for gullible people who even do not check link which they are posting - this is the ultimate proof. Thank God we are in America and you have the rights to believe to anyone, just be careful when someone will try to sell you the Brookline Bridge.
What is crave is consistency, logic, and constructive debate. That's impossible to have with somebody that is so blatantly one-sided and agenda driven. You say you fully condemn the actions of Hammas, yet historical posts show you did no such thing. Instead in fact, you made excuses for their actions. But you sure are quick to go on the attack and criticize the Israelies and their response. You don't get to talk about your perceived superior morality or question mine when it's painfully obvious you are hiding behind the vail of morality only when it supports your antisemite agenda.
A fantasy that you couldn't bother to debate? A simple link to a historical article that proves my points false? Nope. Just simple dismissal so you can continue to defend an agenda in the face of facts. Israel has historically supported a 2 state solution. They have always tried to negotiate and compromise with the West Bank and Gaza. Now they are losing support as Palestinians have openly said they will never stop until they control all the land from the River to the sea. Facts sir. Emotionally driven nonsense personal attacks because facts aren't on your side.
So what is this former CIA employee/Counter Terrorism expert's agenda? Spitting facts you won't like...? As it turns out, a ceasefire deal was agreed to by Hamas and Hezbollah as negotiated by the West but israel used these negotiations to set up Hassan Nasrallah...a trap instead of a ceasefire....so they knew his location and leveled the entire civilian building where he was staying in Lebanon (do the jews own Lebanon too?). One of these days people will wake up to the fact that the zionists are the real terrorists. They don't want ceasefires, they want ethnic cleansing as far as possible.
https://www.youtube.com/@dialogueworks01/videos Another propaganda channel. I see it even features the pedophile Scott Ritter.
Lol. That's all you ever do, post YouTube propaganda videos with some blue eyed neo Nazi in the thumbnail with his mouth wide open like he's about to blow David duke. You never actually engage in dialogue with anyboy
I like to post news and factual information, and I will engage in dialogue with anyone who is capable and willing. Unfortunately, such people are exceedingly rare here. Most only seem to be interested in posting absurdities and trying to troll others.
People have been refuting his garbage for many years. All he does is run around posting the same old cut and pastes over and over and over and over again.
Why can't Netanyahu's army of genocidal Zionist shills ever support what they claim? For example: Re: In addition to the supporting facts I already provided, there's no evidence that Hezbollah carried out the 1983 Marine barracks bombing but since the RDX explosion was the largest non nuclear explosion ever, it's not likely that Hezbollah had access to it and no proof that they did it(1). The fact that MSM continues to blame Hezbollah even though the U.S. doesn't really know for certain who was responsible for the bombing (1) is even more proof of a Western MSM's pro Israel / anti Muslim bias. Next, Re: Israel under its Netanyahu government is replete with genocidal cowards and war criminals who know that they can call on the the US Government to sacrifice American blood and resources for "Greater Israel" anytime and AIPAC, the ZOA etc will make sure it happens. Israel is like a bellicose and genocidal dwarf hiding behind the American military colossus it controls through its unregistered lobbies: - “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.” AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003 - "Top Pentagon adviser says ‘Israeli lobby’ funds officials who want war" "Douglas Macgregor blamed pro-Israel policy for driving the United States into the Iraq conflict after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks," https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/anti...eli-lobby-funds-officials-who-want-war-649228 EXCERPT "Douglas Macgregor, a top adviser to President Donald Trump’s new acting defense secretary, routinely blames “the Israeli lobby” and “neocons” for pushing the United States into wars. CNN’s KFile uncovered interviews in which Macgregor, a decorated combat veteran who appears frequently on Fox News and other conservative media, says “pro-Israel” donors and the pro-Israel lobby are behind efforts to drive the United States into war." CONTINUED --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, there is no evidence that Hezbollah bombed the Marine barracks, Hezbollah denied involvement in the attack, the bomb was the most powerful non nuclear explosion ever and Hezbollah had nothing to gain by antagonizing the US. Only Israel benefited; it was and is always eager to draw the US into its conflicts, the bomb was of the type popular with the Israelis. Unlike Israel, Hezbollah has no history of Killing American G.I.s like in the Lavon Affaire, the USS Liberty etc. Finally, The primary way in which "Israel has chutzpah" is that it repeatedly attacks, betrays and steals from the US while already extorting countless $ Trillions in sophisticated arms and aid from the easily duped American victims of pro Israel / anti Islamic propaganda. What country would not have chutzpah without the mindless and unconditional support of US Military to enable Israel's genocidal expansionism? (1). “5 Harrowing Facts About the 1983 Beirut Barracks Bombing” https://www.military.com/history/5-surprising-facts-about-1983-beirut-barracks-bombing.html EXCERPT: “4. No one knows for certain who was responsible. "The official U.S. government report on the incident concludes the bombing "was a terrorist act sponsored by sovereign states or organized political entities for the purposes of defeating U.S. objectives in Lebanon." It doesn't say which entities are responsible. A little-known group called Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility, but in a 2001 interview with PBS' "Frontline," former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger reiterated that the U.S. didn't know who really perpetrated the attack.” CONTINUED
On October 23, 1983, two truck bombs were detonated at buildings in Beirut, Lebanon, housing American and French service members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon (MNF), a military peacekeeping operation during the Lebanese Civil War. The attack killed 307 people: 241 U.S. and 58 French military personnel, six civilians, and two attackers. ... A group called Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the bombings and said that the aim was to force the MNF out of Lebanon.[11] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombings Why would Israel want to attack our forces? Makes no sense whatsoever.
You know how I know he isn't honest? He is part of the government. [QUOTE="Bill Carson, post: 1075036484, member: 98029" As it turns out, a ceasefire deal was agreed to by Hamas and Hezbollah as negotiated by the West but israel used these negotiations to set up Hassan Nasrallah...a trap instead of a ceasefire....so they knew his location and leveled the entire civilian building where he was staying in Lebanon (do the jews own Lebanon too?). One of these days people will wake up to the fact that the zionists are the real terrorists. They don't want ceasefires, they want ethnic cleansing as far as possible. [/QUOTE] Nonsense. The only person saying Hezbollah AND Israel agreed to a cease fire is the Labanese prime minister. That doesn't make it automatically factual just because it was reported. And there is no information that Israel used the negotiation to make the assassination. That's conjecture. “We agreed completely. Lebanon agreed to a ceasefire but consulting with Hezbollah. The [Lebanese House] Speaker Mr. Nabih Berri consulted with Hezbollah and we informed the Americans and the French what happened. And they told us that Mr. [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu also agreed on the statement that was issued by both presidents [Biden and Macron.]” Hezbollah never officially announced their position publicly. But hours later, Prime Minister Benjajmin Netanyahu said Israel would “continue to hit Hezbollah with all our might.” Israeli officials tried to explain what happened as an “honest misunderstanding,” saying they thought the proposal “was the start of a process that could ultimately lead to a ceasefire.” https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...-nasrallah-ceasefire-assassination-intl-latam Sounds to me like there was mixed agreements and informal acceptance of a ceasefire, but never finalized. Most if these claims coming from a very unreliable country.
sorry, you are wrong. I said from the beginning I condemn Hamas, and I condemn Iran and Hezbollah. The reason I harp on Israel so much, is they are the ones killing innocents. Their goals, ideology, religion, culture, etc is completely irrelevant if they are slaughtering innocents. Since they are killing more civilians by orders of magnitude, they will get most of my criticism. If Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah end up doing most of the killing of innocents, I will shift my focus to them. it is as simple as that. I don’t care about sides, ideology, religion, culture, or anything. I care about safeguarding innocent life.
For the same reason Israel attacked the USS Liberty. To draw the US into a full on war with Israel's enemies. On the 1983 Beirut bombing: "I reported that the Marines had been sent there to become the focus of a major incident. The Mossad is to arrange for a number of our Marines to be killed in an incident that will be blamed on the Arabs! This will be used to inflame American public opinion to help lead us into war, including ultimately nuclear war." – Dr. Beter, a Pentagon analyst, November 3, 1982.
Makes a lot of sense to see you quoting Larry C. Johnson - pro Russian American blogger. From Perplexity AI: Me: did blogger Larry C. Johnson express his opinions about Putin? . Criticism of Western Narratives Johnson frequently challenges mainstream Western views on Russia and Putin: He disputes the Western account of Russia's 2008 invasion of Georgia, instead blaming Georgian forces for attacking Russian troops Johnson accuses the West, particularly the US and UK, of sabotaging peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine in March 2022 He criticizes Western support for Ukraine, arguing that arming Ukraine prevents peace 2 Amplification by Russian Media Johnson's views are frequently amplified by Russian state media: Russian outlets like RIA Novosti, RT, and Izvestia have published hundreds of articles citing Johnson's statements . His claims often align with Kremlin narratives, such as predicting Ukraine's defeat or accusing Ukraine of involvement in terrorist attacks in Russia Credibility Concerns While Johnson is often presented as a former CIA analyst, there are questions about his credibility: His tenure at the CIA was brief and occurred over 35 years ago . Many of his predictions and claims have proven false or misleading . He frequently appears on Russian state media and with known Kremlin propagandists . In summary, Larry C. Johnson has expressed opinions that are largely favorable to Putin and Russia, critical of Western policies, and often align with Kremlin narratives. However, his views are controversial and frequently at odds with mainstream Western analysis of Russia and Putin.
PERFECT! I'll bet that some members of PF still didn't get it and continue to claim that Jews control AI, Wikipedia and probably minds of people who disagree with them. The important hints of the text I marked in red, but I doubt that bigots would understand the irony of Prof. Max Ravyn.
Risk / reward does not check out, and I can't find a proper source for the supposed quotation of a supposed analyst. The only results that come up are this forum, where a Russian account posted the same thing some years back, and this site: http://www.gbppr.net/judicial-inc/Beirut_false_flag.htm The old Russian account post linked to a different URL that only seems to accessible now through the archive: https://web.archive.org/web/2013071.../~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/Beirut_false_flag.htm I don't find this source to be credible and I don't find the false flag argument to be convincing without solid evidence, and I'm being presented with none at all.
How exactly does the 'risk/reward' for Israel not check out? False flag operations have always been an effective means of sucking nations into wars. It's worked well for the American empire, and also for Israel for decades. And it's working for Israel today when they not only greenlighted Hamas' attack on Oct 7, but are also complicit in killing many of its own civilians on that day. You can read the following on Israel's history of false flag operations. Here's an excerpt: U.S. Army Officers Say: ‘Mossad May Blame Arabs’ Top U.S. Army analysts believe Israel’s intelligence agency, the Mossad, is “ruthless and cunning,” “a wildcard” that “has [the] capability to target U.S. forces and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act.” This eye-opening assertion about America’s supposed closest ally was reported in a front page story in The Washington Times on September 10-just one day before the terrorist attacks in America that are being blamed on “Arabs.” The Times reported that this serious charge by U.S. Army officers against the Israelis appeared in a 68-page paper prepared by 60 officers at the U.S. Army’s School for Advanced Military Studies, a training ground for up-and-coming Army officers. [...] Perhaps the best-known instance in which Israel used a “false flag” to cover its own trail was in the infamous Lavon Affair. It was in 1954 that several Israeli-orchestrated acts of terrorism against British targets in Egypt were carried out. Blame for the attacks was placed on the Muslim Brotherhood, which opposed the regime of Egyptian President Gamul Abdul-Nasser. However, the truth about the wave of terror is found in a once-secret cable from Col. Benjamin Givli, the head of Israel’s military intelligence, who outlined the intended purpose behind the wave of terror: [Our goal] is to break the West’s confidence in the existing [Egyptian] regime. The actions should cause arrests, demonstrations, and expressions of revenge. The Israeli origin should be totally covered while attention should be shifted to any other possible factor. The purpose is to prevent economic and military aid from the West to Egypt. https://aldeilis.net/english/us-army-officers-say-mossad-may-blame-arabs/ ----------------- I also cannot find any confirmation, other than a Western claim, that a group called the "Islamic Jihad" directly & officially claimed responsibility for the 1983 Beirut bombing. Here's what the Wiki link you provided says about the Beirut bombing: It is believed that Hezbollah used the name "Islamic Jihad" to remain anonymous. Hezbollah eventually announced its existence in 1985.[121][122] This is while, according to President Reagan's Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, "We still do not have the actual knowledge of who did the bombing of the Marine barracks at the Beirut Airport, and we certainly didn't then."[14] Weinberger mentions lack of certainty about Syria or Iran's involvement as the reason why America did not take any retaliatory actions against those states.[12] Here's what Wiki says about this dubious group: Initially the group was described as "a mysterious group about which virtually nothing was known,"[8] one whose "only members" seemed to be the "anonymous callers" taking credit for the bombings, or one that simply didn't exist. After the MNF bombing, the New York Times reported that "Lebanese police sources, Western intelligence sources, Israeli Government sources and leading Shi'ite Muslim religious leaders in Beirut are all convinced that there is no such thing as Islamic Jihad," as an organization, no membership, no writings, etc. [...] More recently authors such as researcher Robert A. Pape[28] and journalist Lawrence Wright[29] have made no mention of Islamic Jihad and simply name Hezbollah as the author of Lebanese terror attacks claimed or attributed to Islamic Jihad: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Jihad_Organization Hmm...sounds to me like the 'Islamic Jihad' was the perfect fictitious group in 1983 to blame a false flag operation on, because there's no official way or central command that can confirm or deny it. It's no different than claiming that 'Antifa' has claimed responsibility for an arson attack. You will also notice that the US made no claims as to who 'claimed responsibility' for 911, and that's not surprising because it would've been ridiculous to blame such a large, complex operation on a small, disorganized, obscure Islamic group lacking a central command/leader that no one could confirm. It could only have been carried out by a well funded, well organized group - or nation(s). Claiming that a well funded, well organized group like Hezbollah, for example, claimed responsibility for 911 would've invited a strong rebuttal by its leader - so the Pentagon knew they couldn't go there. The West had to make up a story about 'investigations' into who might have been responsible - which ultimately led to the never-ending 'War on Terror' & invasion of the Middle East, the very goal behind 911. --------------- The quote by Pentagon analyst Dr. Beter I got off the following site, but have not checked to confirm he said it. I'll look further for confirmation. https://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/beirut-marine-bombing-was-mossad-false-flag-operation/
