Iran warns of ‘divine vengeance’; Saudi Arabia breaks relations

I have debated Baer and watched once as he was destroyed by men from ARAMCO who lived and worked in Arabia and closely with the SAG for 30 years.. He's a jackleg fraud. He was a paper pusher for the CIA and has NEVER set foot in Arabia.

 

Good point. Opening up our reserves (including lifting drilling and exploration prohibitions) and switching our energy consumption to renewable sources may make greater changes in the ME than all the bullets and bombs we could possibly send that way.




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You mean this ARAMCO?
"Saudi Aramco (Arabic: أرامكو السعودية‎ ʾArāmkō s-Saʿūdiyyah), officially the Saudi Arabian Oil Company, most popularly known just as Aramco (formerly Arabian-American Oil Company) is a Saudi Arabian national petroleum and natural gas company based in Dhahran.[5][6] Saudi Aramco's value has been estimated at anywhere between US$1.25 trillion[7] and US$7 trillion,[8] making it the world's most valuable company."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Aramco

"Baer has publicly acknowledged that he worked field assignments, starting in Madras and New Delhi, India; and subsequently in Beirut, Lebanon; Khartoum, Sudan; Paris, France; Dushanbe, Tajikistan; Morocco; the former republic of Yugoslavia, and Salah al-Din in Iraqi Kurdistan during his twenty-one years with the CIA.

"During the mid-1990s, Baer was sent to Iraq with the mission of organizing opposition to Iraqi president Saddam Hussein but was recalled and investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for allegedly conspiring to assassinate the Iraqi leader.[4][5]

"While in Salah al-Din, Baer unsuccessfully urged the Clinton administration to back an internal Iraqi attempt to overthrow Hussein (organized by a group of Sunni military officers, the Iraqi National Congress' Ahmad Chalabi, and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan's Jalal Talabani) in March 1995 with covert CIA assistance.

"Baer quit the Agency in 1997 and received the CIA's Career Intelligence Medal on March 11, 1998."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Baer#Career

 

It doesn't look good!

 

Iran via better military and more will

 

One shoots a mob invading an embassy.

 

If you look at Syria, you will find that prior to the current civil war there were several years of drought which uprooted over a million farmers and destroyed a huge number of villages.
For me, this is the major contributor to the current civil war. When the Arab 'spring' came, everything was already set. It just needed a small spark to tip the process downhill.

 

The Saudis and Iranians are probably going to nuke each other some day. Then they will nuke Israel for good measure. Islam would be a great religion if they could stop killing each other over sectarian lines.

 

"BAGHDAD — Saudi Arabia cut diplomatic ties with Iran on Sunday and gave Iranian diplomats 48 hours to leave the kingdom, marking a swift escalation in a strategic and sectarian rivalry that underpins conflicts across the Middle East.

"The surprise move, announced in a news conference by Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi foreign minister, followed harsh criticism by Iranian leaders of the Saudis’ execution of an outspoken Shiite cleric, Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, and the storming of the Saudi Embassy in Tehran by protesters in response.

"The cutting of diplomatic ties came at a time when the United States and others had hoped that even limited cooperation between the two powers could help end the crushing civil wars in Syria and Yemen while easing tensions in Iraq, Bahrain, Lebanon and elsewhere."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/world/middleeast/iran-saudi-arabia-execution-sheikh-nimr.html?_r=0

What could go wrong?
"Because the United States did not have significant military capabilities in the Persian Gulf region at the time the Carter Doctrine was proclaimed, the doctrine was criticized[who?] for not being backed by sufficient force.

"The Carter administration began to build up the Rapid Deployment Force (which would eventually become CENTCOM). In the interim, the administration expanded the U.S. naval presence in the Persian Gulf and the Indian Ocean.[citation needed]

"Carter's successor, Ronald Reagan, extended the policy in October 1981 with what is sometimes called the 'Reagan Corollary to the Carter Doctrine', which proclaimed that the United States would intervene to protect Saudi Arabia, whose security was threatened after the Iran–Iraq War's outbreak.

"Thus, while the Carter Doctrine warned away outside forces from the region, the Reagan Corollary pledged to secure internal stability.

"According to diplomat Howard Teicher, 'with the enunciation of the Reagan Corollary, the policy ground work was laid for Operation Desert Storm'.[10]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carter_Doctrine#Implementation

 

Certainly something happened which changed what was a non sectarian, non violent, not wanting outside interference struggle for civil rights into .....

In the light of the recent provocation by the Saudis and subsequent events, I found this article from the Guardian really interesting particularly thinking about what is the Saudi position re ISIS

in depth story here

There is always the question of how much support from the Saudi's to ISIS. In doctrinal terms they are much on the same level, the problem seems to be more concerning authority

 

How do you know that? About Baer I mean? He was a decorated member of the clandestine services and despite what he has said about his career, it would be normal for a lot more to be held back due to continuing sensitivities.

 

Where US 'interests' are concerned brutal and savage regimes are minor irritants and inconsequential diversions. In fact the US is quite prepared itself to install brutal oppressors wherever those 'interests' need to be protected.

 

If we could insure they would use the weapons as we want, we should supply arms to both sides and let them kill each other. They are all anti-American and worthless turds!

 

Well ... some more serious case here!

But honestly: In any reversed scenario here with changed rules between Iran and KSA, you will bash on Iran like mad ... isn't this the most strange point?
Fact is that KSA is not a spark better as Iran, but because friend and ally of the USA in the ME, they have a free ticket to do what they want and no one is blaming them seriously! The KSA is attacking and supporting the Sunni terrorism in the world with same breath and this cause more and more problems and trouble, due to the old dispute between Shiite and Sunni!

 

The myth of the 1,400 year Sunni-Shia war

 

You're right.. 4 years of severe drought turned Syria into a Dust Bowl.. Farmers abandoned the land and moved to the cities looking for work.

 

Saudi Arabia has never supported terrorism. The difference between Iran and KSA is that Iran wants a foothold on the Arabian peninsula and a minority controlled Mecca and Medina.. Saudi Arabia has NO ambitions in Iran and just wants to be left alone.

 

Yes.. that ARAMCO.. I knew all the early oilmen and my father was one of them.

 

Oh you mean publicly......yeah they do mouth off publicly that they haven't. But then reality has a different story.

What the Shia should do.....is Execute one of the Most prominent Sunni Clerics. See how the Saud likes that and if they want to do something about it.....or just mouth off. Their usual.

 

That's because it's all about oil.

 

Saudi Arabia doesn't support terrorists publically or privately.. They did help the US in Afghanistan against the Soviets because the Saudis hate communism, but that was years ago.

No Sunni cleric in Iran would advocate overthrow of the government .....

Sunni don't think Imams are infallible.. The relationship with clergy and the authority of clergy is very different for Shia.

 

Yes the Saud supported Al Sham......Terrorists.

The Shia don't need to advocate overthrowing a government. All they need to do is publicly Execute a Most Notable Sunni Cleric.

So far only you and the Saud are sticking up for what they did. Lets see how the Sunni act when it is one of their Clerics being Executed.

 

"Al Sham" just means Damascus.

 

Myth??? Ask ISIS members how they think about Shiite and ask Hezbollah members how they think about Sunni!

It is no myth, it is fact ... day for day! But of course are enough Sunni and Shiite friends too ... but this does not change the general dispute between both

 

They had a telethon for martyrs right after 9/11, and at the next Arab League were against a definition of terrorism at the United Nations (of tyrants too) that would have included Hamas terrorist acts as terrorism. I call that moral support.