Iran warns of ‘divine vengeance’; Saudi Arabia breaks relations

Pretty much... Also things that go boom...

 

Saudi nuclear weapons 'on order' from Pakistan.....

Saudi Arabia has invested in Pakistani nuclear weapons projects, and believes it could obtain atomic bombs at will, a variety of sources have told BBC Newsnight.

While the kingdom's quest has often been set in the context of countering Iran's atomic programme, it is now possible that the Saudis might be able to deploy such devices more quickly than the Islamic republic.

Earlier this year, a senior Nato decision maker told me that he had seen intelligence reporting that nuclear weapons made in Pakistan on behalf of Saudi Arabia are now sitting ready for delivery.

Last month Amos Yadlin, a former head of Israeli military intelligence, told a conference in Sweden that if Iran got the bomb, "the Saudis will not wait one month. They already paid for the bomb, they will go to Pakistan and bring what they need to bring." ....snip~

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-24823846


Pakistan says it will respond to any threat to Saudi Arabia.....

Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's office said on Thursday any threat to Saudi Arabia would "evoke a strong response" from Islamabad.

"The meeting concluded that any threat to Saudi Arabia’s territorial integrity would evoke a strong response from Pakistan," Sharif's office said.....snip~

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-says-respond-threat-saudi-arabia-164801691.html

 

It could!!!

So we have the USA and Russia basically fighting a proxy war over Syria, both using ISIS as a pawn

Turkey(Nato) playing live war games with Russia

Hamas and Israel lining up for more fun and games.

and now a Saudi/Sunni coalition lining up against an Iranian/Shia coalition.

Can it get any better than this? WW1 21st century style anyone?

I cant decide if I should buy 50# of popcorn or enlist.

 

Pakistan barely has the armament to defend it's self from India and for that reason nuclear armaments are limited to Saudi Arabia from Pakistan.
Look, this is how sourced debate is done, you counter my source with your source, debate legitimacy of source if necessary if a source is questionable.
That said, your last source was countered prior to your sourcing.
Pakistan simply doesn't have the resources to equip a nuclear Saudi Arabia and when you think about it dude...... where did Pakistan's nuclear capability come from???

North Korea, hello.......

 

Russia has not used ISIS as a proxy... that statement is wrong at every level.
Saudi Arabia and Israel have used ISIS as a proxy against Iran an Hamas.
Obama simply got mixed up in a conflict he clearly didn't understand, being the Muslim Brotherhood cake eater he is..... he completely overlooked conflict within Muslim community while wrapping himself within the community organizing flag.

Obama's the guy who sent Code Pink and AFL-CIO to organize the Arab spring in Egypt and we see how that turned out.
This is the same guy who called ISIS, JV!!!

 

You didn't counter anything.....oh and the US Media carried it as well.

Yes Pakistan got its Nukes from N Korea.

This changes nothing from what the US and others reported over Pakistan and the Saud. Nor does India finally getting a Nuke.....mean they caught up to the Pakistani.

Moreover, the Saud has had the Chinese Missiles for some time.

 

The North Korean's have yet to achieve even a proper Fission detonation!!!

I have to leave and go over to this Hell Hole in 24 to 72 hours....yay for me.....mummmble!

I will be there for a very specific purpose but while I am there I will at as a consultant on a few issues.

It's time for the U.S. to flex it's economic power.

That alone effects change more so than any number of bullets fired or bombs dropped.

AboveAlpha

 

There's a reason Bush chose to ride around in the deserts of Iraq looking for WMDs that for the most part didn't even exist instead of marching into Iran who had recently confirmed their nuclear program. Attacking Iran is no small endeavor and it's about the only option available to a president that hasn't already been tried with them. I suppose Obama could have or still could order an invasion but would you have really supported him if that had happened? I doubt it. You don't like the guy and that's what colors your commentary, not a real world analysis of the situation.

 

Political debate isn't a make it up as you go thing dude..... India's first nuclear weapons test was on Pokhran Test Range, May, 18, 1974 at 8:05 a.m.

Hello.....

So India is hardly a newcomer to nuclear weapons, but hey I look forward to your next rebuttal.
Keep'em coming.....

 

Please re read what i wrote.

 

I did and we are on pretty much the same song sheet, it's just that your perspective is a bit out of touch with my perceived reality.
Then again I spend a lot of time, too much time studying these things.
That said when we don't have our facts right the progressive peach orchard crowd pick us apart.

We have to travel the higher road, that's all I'm saying.

 

I hear ya.

Just so we are clear ISIS is the pawn not the proxy. Least that's my take. My focus on the matter isnt what it used to be so yeah

I don't fret much, the progs, cons or the libs. We are all in this together whether we realize it or not. I Make an easy target. Im old, big, slow and can take a lot of damage.

 

No (*)(*)(*)(*).....your kiddin, Right. Evidently you haven't learned your way around here yet and learned who knows what. So save the lecture with the BS.

Its why I dropped the links. Those being the ones you can't get around. Oh, and like I said, India hasn't caught up with the Pakastani and the total of Nukes they have.

Now you can try another tactic. While saving that Assuming (*)(*)(*)(*) you do.

 

Well the Saud isn't going to get theirs from N Korea. The Israelis and ourselves know that the Saud will get them thru the Pakistani. They already have the Missiles they need to hit Iran. Should they choose to do so.

You watch your Six while over there.....and forget about trust, and then verify. Huah.

 

It will be Pakistan.. KSA has supported Pakistan for 60 years.

 

I think you have that back to front. North Korea apparently got it's nuclear ability from Pakistan - in the main anyway.

Pakistan got much of it from China but also from Europe, notably US and UK with complicity. The latter provided training to Pakistani scientists with at Sellafield plus a nuclear fuel reprocessing plant able to produce 360 grams of weapons grade plutonium annually (HERE).

There are no clean hands when it comes to proliferation.

 

This has nothing to do with ignorance ... it has to do with facts which are not even changed by the content of your link! Look in history proper please ... Sunni and Shiite are really in long time dispute! Sure, there were times of peace too ... but even during the Christian crusade age in medieval was this dispute one of the several reasons why there was a longer time no proper Muslim block standing against.

 

Wasn't it the AB something company ... Rumsfeld was on the board of directors... that provided nuclear equipment to N Korea?

 

Rumsfeld was on ABB board during deal with North Korea ...



www.swissinfo.ch/eng/rumsfeld-was...north-korea/3176922








Swissinfo

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/rumsfeld-was-on-abb-board-during-deal-with-north-korea/3176922


Feb 24, 2003 - Rumsfeld was on ABB board during deal with North Korea ... two reactors in exchange for a freeze on the North's nuclear weapons programme.

 

Of course, there's a reason Bush and the rest of the countries in the Coalition marched into Iraq instead of Iran - Saddam Hussein, not the fascist regime in Tehran, violated the terms of the Gulf War I ceasefire agreement.

That's not a real world analysis of anything - be it the situation with Iran and its nuclear program, Obama's options and the consequences of the deal that he struck with Tehran.

I realize that you do like the guy and that colors your commentary, but shooting the messenger isn't going to magically prevent a nuclear arms race in the Middle East from occurring. The Saudis made it clear that if Obama handed Iran a glide path to nuclear weapons they would acquire them, as well. Furthermore, anyone who is capable of real world analysis of the situation and conflicts in the Middle East pitting Iran and its allies against the Sunni Arab regimes and terrorist groups in the region is all too aware of the other consequences of Obama's decision to crawl into bed with Ali Khamenei & Co., the most obvious being the evisceration of any incentive on the parts of Saudi Arabia and its allies to destroy the Islamic State and the other Sunni jihadist groups fighting Iran and its allies. Given Obama's unwillingness to put up anything beyond a token resistance to IS, Caliph Ibrahim and his Islamist death cult are here to stay until Obama leaves office and another president corrects his foolish and unnecessary mistakes.

Here's another real world analysis of the situation and the consequences of Obama's legacy deal with Tehran - the thugs in that country will now be able to get their hands of billions of more dollars to spend on oppressing the freedom loving people of Iran and sowing war throughout the Middle East. How do you like the fact that Obama's weakness has emboldened Tehran to the point of lobbing missiles into the immediate vicinity of our naval vessels sailing through the Straits of Hormuz?

Get used to it. That's just another one of the real world consequences of Obama's legacy deal, and your red herrings regarding the color of my commentary won't make them go away.

 

BO and his Team say, we are staying out of it.


Obama administration keeps its distance from Saudi Arabia-Iran fight.....

The Obama administration’s cautious approach to the latest eruption in tensions between two major Middle Eastern powers reflects a reluctance to take sides in a dispute where it believes both are at fault, and a sense that a strong U.S. intervention would have little effect and might make things worse.

With no chance to undo the execution, Kerry and other U.S. officials who have communicated with the Saudis have focused on trying to walk back the breach in diplomatic relations. So far, the Saudis have not agreed, officials said, but they have not said no. The administration also believes that it has received some assurance that Nimr’s execution will not be followed by a similar fate for his nephew.....snip~

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...10f820-b312-11e5-a842-0feb51d1d124_story.html

 

Thank you.

Remember....WE are the BIG DOG on the block!!!

Our President needs to remember this!

No one...and I mean...NO ONE....is going to use any Nukes as long as the U.S. is around and this includes Russia!

I am so P!$$ED OFF right now that I am supposed to be retired and I have to go back I could SCREAM!!!

Actually I have!

AboveAlpha

 

I don't know.

 

Rumsfeld was on the board directors of ABB when they got a HUGE billion dollar contract for Nuclear stuff from NK.. I googled and posted one link earlier on this thread.

 

Its going to be worse now.....with the Weakness BO just put on display for ALL in the ME to see.

Yes we are the Big Dog.....but it is our own ROE's that are a problem. As well as.....that none in the ME can be trusted, other than the Kurds. Not counting Israel.

Do not trust any of their Military officers either.

Where I am at in life now. I wish they would let me go back. But they won't.