Are you going to insist upon saying I am in favor of isolationism when I have twice explained that I am not? Are you really capable of rational and honest public discourse? Maybe you're going to tell me that WMD were hidden in Iraq?
You are comparing US history with the terror Putin is wreaking? So... are you posting from Russia? Or China?
Isolationism appears to be a Trump policy initiiative in which he won't commit US forces to anything unless he is either paid or gets his political wish list taken care of to indict his enemies, even if it is false and misleading charges.
It's irrelevant anyway. The public didn't need to know one way or another, they were all behind invading Iraq anyway. It doesn't take alot to convince a gun toting nation to go to war, besides, what's the point of stockpiling billions of dollars worth of weaponry if you're not going to use it? A bit counter productive right?
War is hell, and you know that. The terror Putin is wreaking is the direct result of US actions in refusing diplomatic efforts including the Minsk agreements. The terror Putin is wreaking in defense of Russia and the people of Donbas is tiny compared to the terror delivered by the US in countries all over the world over many decades. You know the list, so I won't offer it. So, to make a minor correction to your first sentence, I am comparing the results of the US Global War of Terror (not US history) with the results of the Russian operation in Donbas. Sadly, since 1945 US government history has been one of military aggression and terror. I'm not happy at writing that.
It makes zero financial sense to make a product without selling. You'd be bankrupt in a heartbeat. Plus diplomacy is a good deterrent, get better at dialogue Alternate solution? Please explain how sadam was a threat to the world?
Putin wants to re-establish the old Soviet Union piece by piece. His invasion of Ukraine is part of that strategy. It isn't the result of anything America did or did not do. To say so is absurd. I see you cannot list any "terror delivered by the US". You "won't offer it" because you have NO FACTS. Typical America hater. Again... your ridiculous statement that "since 1945 US government history has been one of military aggression and terror."... Again, ridiculous allegation... NO FACTS at all to back it up. Pure "hate America" propaganda... baseless and absurd.
Trump is an Isolationist. He also wants to use the US military as some sort of merc group for hire, to the highest bidder sort of thing.
what insult. YOu said you are from Mississippi. That is not a lie. And he asked a legitimate question based on your response which had nothing to do with the post you were replying to. I simply put the two together and let him figure it out.
I have never said I am from Mississippi so stop telling lies about me and am not from the GREAT state of Mississippi your pergorative insults about the state notwithstanding.
What does that have to do with anything here? I posted to quotes as to why Saddam was a threat to the world, all from Democrats. Are you claiming he was a peaceful benevolent ruler who never used his military against his own people and never tried to and actually invaded his neighbors and was trying by force to increase his influence and dominance of the ME? Are you still denying his ties to terrorist and his plans to arm them with WMD he would produce? Are you denying his desire to assist in attacks on western states which had opposed him? Did you not listen to the Clinton administration?
There is no evidence that Putin wants to re-establish the USSR piece by piece. That is a propaganda claim offered by the neocons to those gullible enough to buy it. You are in denial in believing that the US had nothing to do with the present circumstance. I doubt you're ignorant of what James Baker and Reagan and subsequent administrations told Russia regarding NATO expansion, but anything is possible. The terror delivered by the US government is a long list, and began before its much vaunted neocon-Israeli Global War Of Terror. Much of Central and South America, Iran by overthrowing Mossadegh and installing the Shah, of course Vietnam, Korea, Syria and virtually all of the mideast. All those were military aggression in violation of US statutes and international agreements. Mine are not ridiculous allegations, they are plain statements of fact that are painful for some to hear and contemplate. Smedley Butler was right. As he noted, he was part of a racket. The naive don't understand that. Such are the limitations of the human mind. As Hartley Shawcross the US Nuremberg prosecutor noted, "There comes a point when a man must refuse to answer to his leader if he is also to answer to his own conscience." It does not give me pleasure to point out that the US government is no longer the force for good in this world that it once was.
Bush admin never claimed Hussein was behind 9/11 ? lets see “With nuclear arms or a full arsenal of chemical and biological weapons, Saddam Hussein could resume his ambitions of conquest in the Middle East and create deadly havoc in that region. And this Congress and the America people must recognize another threat. Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al-Qaida. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help them develop their own.” — President Bush, State of the Union Speech, Jan. 28, 2003. “But what I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the al-Qaida terrorist network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida lieutenants. … But Baghdad has an agent in the most senior levels of the radical organization Ansar al-Islam that controls this corner of Iraq. In 2000, this agent offered al-Qaida safe haven in the region. We know members of both organizations met repeatedly and have met at least eight times at very senior levels since the early 1990s. In 1996, a foreign security service tells us that bin Laden met with a senior Iraqi intelligence official in Khartoum and later met the director of the Iraqi intelligence service. Saddam became more interested as he saw al-Qaida’s appalling attacks. A detained al-Qaida member tells us that Saddam was more willing to assist al-Qaida after the 1998 bombings of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Saddam was also impressed by al-Qaida’s attacks on the USS Cole in Yemen in October 2000.” — Secretary of State Colin Powell, Statement to the U.N. Security Council, Feb. 5, 2003. “The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 — and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men — the shock troops of a hateful ideology — gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the ‘beginning of the end of America.’ By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation’s resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed.” — President Bush, aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003. “The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that still goes on. al-Qaida is wounded, not destroyed. The scattered cells of the terrorist networks still operate in many nations. And we know from daily intelligence that they continue to plot against free people. The proliferation of deadly weapons remains a serious danger. The enemies of freedom are not idle, and neither are we. Our government has taken unprecedented measures to defend our homeland and, more importantly, we will continue to hunt the enemy down before he can strike. No act of terrorists will change our purpose or weaken our resolve or alter their fate. Their cause is lost. Free nations will press on to victory.” —President Bush, Weekly radio address, May 3, 2003. MR. RUSSERT: The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that? VICE PRES. CHENEY: No. I think it’s not surprising that people make that connection. MR. RUSSERT: But is there a connection? VICE PRES. CHENEY: We don’t know. You and I talked about this two years ago. I can remember you asking me this question just a few days after the original attack. At the time I said no, we didn’t have any evidence of that. Subsequent to that, we’ve learned a couple of things. We learned more and more that there was a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida that stretched back through most of the decade of the ’90s, that it involved training, for example, on BW and CW, that al-Qaida sent personnel to Baghdad to get trained on the systems that are involved. The Iraqis providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the al-Qaida organization. We know, for example, in connection with the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93 that one of the bombers was Iraqi, returned to Iraq after the attack of ’93. And we’ve learned subsequent to that, since we went into Baghdad and got into the intelligence files, that this individual probably also received financing from the Iraqi government as well as safe haven. Now, is there a connection between the Iraqi government and the original World Trade Center bombing in ’93? We know, as I say, that one of the perpetrators of that act did, in fact, receive support from the Iraqi government after the fact. With respect to 9/11, of course, we’ve had the story that’s been public out there. The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack, but we’ve never been able to develop anymore of that yet either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don’t know. —Vice President Dick Cheney, Interview with NBC’s Tim Russert, Sunday, Sept. 14, 2003.
its the same propaganda they were feeding the masses before the iraq invasion, that sadam was going to invade and takeover every arab nation, including saudi arabia.
Twenty years ago, I had an almost completely different opinion of the war for Iraq. Mostly, the war part of it went pretty good. As in victory within less than a month. What happened after that, well, that's a completely different story. And the CPA that inserted themselves as the authority in Iraq ruined any hope of our success in reestablishing anything that remotely resembled civility there. Lessons learned: The US military did its job. The civilian authority did not. One of the defining set of events that demonstrates to anyone that will look at it objectively just how miserably the US government fails, picks ridiculous outcomes and expects folks to just make it so..
The US military did its job, same as it "did its job" in Central America during the days of Smedley Butler USMC
