Is a fetus a person with rights?

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Object227, Mar 13, 2011.

  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Fetal homicide laws say yes, a fetus is a person. The FEDERAL Unborn Victims of Violence Act does too!
     
  2. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    No wonder this guy has been banned, probably for severe idiocy in his posts.
     
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    Pasithea Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Is that relevant to the topic to point that out Whaler? I mean really, you're getting into that routine again of attacking the person and not addressing the topic.
     
  4. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Just having some fun. Can't help it if the lefties here are devoid of a sense of humor! :lol:
     
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  6. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    See what I mean? LOL, I have him on ignore, but I know what he likely said.
     
  7. Whaler17

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    Again you post out of ignorance. Mississippi will have on on the ballot. If we go by the history on these attempts this one will fail too, the same way you just failed to add something intelligent to the thread.

    I will not even comment on the hypocrisy made evident by your last two posts. So laugh it up, it is amusing and pathetic at the same time...
     
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    So you give me one picture of what even more looks like a doctored image than the one I gave? So just because its possible for the pro-life people to earn money from what they do its so obviously doctored? I would say pro-choice has all the more reason! I didn't just give pictures I gave the actual account of a person who worked at one of those clinics. The picture I gave was at 7 weeks. BTW There are many doctors and so called experts (including the "doctors" who work at the clinics and still are doing so) say that it is killing. I would like to see how rare those "late term" abortions are http://unitedfamiliesinternational....h-buster-monday-are-late-term-abortions-rare/ ??? Rare aren't they? :omg: i gave evidence you immediately called fake. How lame is that?
     
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    Pro choice people have no reason to lie. Pro life people do. That is why all the pro life sites carry fake pictures.
     
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    They are rare, and furthermore, only done when the woman's health is threatened. Furthermore, women DON'T even ASK for late-term abortions, they have bonded with the fetus by then.

    http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/...bortions-facts-stories-and-how-you-can-help-0

    Late-term abortions are very rare. About one percent of all abortions performed in the United States occur after 21 weeks. There are different definitions of what constitutes a "late term abortion," but most definitions refer to abortions at or after 24 weeks or in the third trimester.

    Late-term abortions are severely restricted by law.

    The Court also determined, however, that this right is not absolute and it must be balanced against the state's legitimate interest in protecting both the health of the pregnant woman and the developing human life. Therefore, according to Roe, the state's interest in protecting potential life becomes compelling at the point of fetal viability (when the fetus has the capacity for sustained survival outside the uterus). States are allowed to, and indeed have, severely restricted access to abortion in the third-trimester, except, as the Supreme Court has ruled, when necessary to preserve the woman's life or health. In subsequent cases, the Court made clear that viability is a medical determination, which varies with each pregnancy, and that it is the responsibility of the attending physician to make that determination
     
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    They don't? Ok they so entirely don't. I wonder how much the "doctors" make? Oh 2 days a week...Around 500$ per abortion...hhmm 2 per day...About 1K-2K a week(possibly less)! along with that many other are doctors or surgeons ect.. So they earn quite a lot and this would be a big slice out of their income! Or what about the people who keep on wanting to have sex and so want abortions? That would be a problem for them to! Or the classes in medical school teaching them how to do this! Or the books these guys probably read! Or the political gain from calling yourself pro-choice! Looks like they have already fooled you and others into putting into their cash box! Ect. :roll: Anyone could earn money from something if your a crazy conspiracy theorist... I for one am not. The experts who do it say its killing.(there are plenty of quotes) All signs of life are there besides just the fact that he/she is growing. He/She even looks human. Ok so the conclusion drawn is he/she is not alive?
     
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    Your pro abortion links are un persuasive.
    Also, where is your proof that they are rare? It is idiotic to claim that women never ask for one. You cannot make a broad generalized statement like that with any credibility whatsoever.
     
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    1% IS rare. It is true that a woman who doesn't know she is pregnant until later might not have bonded with her fetus, in that case, she might ask for an abortion in 2nd trimester.
     
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    It is also true that many women might ask for a late term abortion regardless of whether or not you think they should have bonded with their children in utero or not!
     
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    Laws already are in place criminalizing late-term abortions, i.e. after viability. What more do you want? Late-term abortions must be, by law, medically necessary. In Canada no such laws exist, and yet the abortion rate is about the same.
     
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    But you have no idea how many of the abortions are late term do you! You just talk around in circles.
     
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    Do you have any idea how many are late term and why? Please share that information and its source then.
     
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    Looks like the timing of abortion in Canada is very similar to that in the US.

    http://www.arcc-cdac.ca/postionpapers/22-Late-term-Abortions.PDF

    Incidence of Late Term Abortions
    The Canadian Medical Association's abortion policy defines abortion as the active termination of a pregnancy up to 20 weeks of gestation (Canadian Medical Association, Policy on Induced Abortion, 1988). 90% of abortions in Canada are performed during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and just over 9% of abortions take place between 12 and 20 weeks of gestation. A mere 0.4% of abortions take place after 20 weeks of gestation. These are considered late term abortions.
     
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    Frequency is actually not the primary issue, one late term abortion is too many.
     
  21. Mrlittlelawyer

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    I would like to reply but I shall have to go on vacation. :sun: So i will not be able to keep replying to this thread. Looks like until then I will have to leave it to Whaler.
     
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    Vacation eh? I knew I should have become a lawyer!!!
     
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    No, they are not. Furthermore, overpopulation has become such a burden, that even if they were, I wouldn't have a problem with aborting them. Just being totally flat out honest.
     
  24. Whaler17

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    Well I appreciate your honesty. Most abortion promoters would not be so up front about their taste for blood.
     
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    Well if taste for blood is what you call it, then so be it. I'm not ashamed
     

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