Is anybody watching "Rings of Power"?

Wheel of Time was boring to me to, however I never read any of the books so I didn't come at it as a fan would. I did like the Expanse though. Amazon would have been better off cranking out a few more seasons of that than the Tolkien cosplay show.

 

Yes this is about what counts as a righteous duty for the left: calling someone else racist!

But yes, Galadriel is by far the worst, most unlikeable person on the show. Hard to believe that someone 3000 years old can be so dumb.

 

I don't know how you write something this bad do they hate Tolkien?

I found the expanse boring. Most of what I watch on Amazon is documentary.

 

I don't think they hate Tolkien, I think they thought, "we're smarter and more talented than some dumb English professor. We could do a much better job at this. How hard could it be?"

...and discovered they weren't as smart or talented as they thought.

 

I think the problem is the criticism isn't about making people feel bad it's about helping people become better. And we live in a world where the people that are in their thirties and forties now (this is me so I'm part of it) we're told they were perfect just the way they are and this is the worst thing you can do to people. Because when they find out they're not perfect they throw childish little temper fits. That's an artifact of growing up when you're a child but it makes you a pillory for ridicule when you're an adult.

The mature way to deal with criticism is listen to it, determine if it's valid and most importantly don't get butt hurt.

She's a Mary Sue. It seems like this is incredibly common these days. It makes the character lame and boring and the show or movie pointless. The Mary Sue character has an impenetrable plot armor so there is no peril there's no stakes there's no gratification at victories because they were inevitable.

That's like watching a documentary about world war II the eventual triumph of the Allies isn't that satisfying because you knew that was going to happen. So what do they do to make compelling characters in world war II stories? They put them in peril.

 

I just don't think they were tolkien fans at all. They just saw the popularity and thought they could buy into it. And you can but you have to give the people what they want.

If you **** on the character and the story because you think your message is more important it's going to flop.

The way this should have been written is as though it was a love letter to tolkien. If you can't do that you're not going to get the fan base and without the fan base you flop.

 

Because you keep revisiting the same arguments

 

The worst character in the show is galadriel. If criticism was racist that wouldn't be the criticism people had.

This racist crap is just something studio has to come over to excuse why they made such an abortion and spent so much money on it and people go on to it because virtue signaling about race is all the rage these days.

There's a Time called the 1990s when ,get this, they're were black leads and they weren't crap.

We're not talking about side characters we're talking about main characters.

If anybody is racist it's Amazon for making such a piece of crap and making sure they starred black people in it.

Also making warmed over leftovers and saving that for black actors. Instead of original content.

 

@Lil Mike Can you finally put yourself on record and quit dodging back and forth? Are you fine with non-white Tolkien characters or not? You keep switching positions. Just man up and take a stand.

 

Well no matter happens, we know that Galadriel will survive into the Third Age, as will Elrond, so it will be hard to take seriously any perils they may face. I mean, Galadriel already jumped off a boat in the middle of the ocean and while swimming back to Middle Earth just happened to swim into some shipwrecked survivors. I mean Elves are immortal but this is ridiculous.

 

? You ask the same questions, I give you the same answers, and it's not my problem if you don't agree with my answers.

 

You have yet to actually answer. All you do is evade.

 

For Chrissakes, I've answered multiple times, but there is some weird block in your lefty head in which race is the primary factor so you can only view answers about a fantasy IP through current year racial politics. So I've never switched positions, and if you could find where I have, please point it out so I can correct the record.

"Are you fine with non-white Tolkien characters or not?

I'm fine with them if the characters are non white. It's just that simple. The problem is, in Middle Earth, a stand in for Europe, they're almost all white. Tolkien, as I've told you many times, described elves as "fair." For some reason, you can't accept that, and I can't be bothered with your reasons, but I'm going by Tolkien.

The Harfoots, the proto-Hobbits, were described by Tolkien as brown skinned, so all of the Harfoots should be...brown skinned, Instead, you have families that resemble a car commercial, black parents; white kids. It makes no sense. Primitive tribes are not Benetton ads, they should all resemble each other.

But the fact that with all of you fervor in trying to prove black elves, you never mentioned the brown Harfoots just shows that you don't know either the show or Tolkien. You've only been interested in racebaiting.

The show could have done an entirely black and brown show based on some other continent on Arda. Instead they chose the white continent, Middle Earth. It doesn't make any sense. But you wouldn't know that because you don't know Tolkien, you're only here to trash it.

 

Middle Earth wasn't just a stand-in for Europe. And there were plenty of non-white people in Europe, anyway. And Tolkien never, ever said that all elves were light skinned. But for some reason you switch back and forth between accepting that and not. That's why I keep asking you to make up your mind . . . which you refuse to do. You are projecting your racebaiting onto others and defending the snowflake racebaiters.

 

You can't even clearly state what you claim I'm switching back and forth about.

That Middle Earth is a stand in for Europe? No I've always said that.

That there were plenty of non white people in Europe? No I never said that.

Tolkien said that elves were "fair" so at least all of the tribes of elves in Middle Earth (there are other tribes in other parts of that world) were white.

So I still can't figure out what you think I'm switching back and forth about. I asked you to clarify in my previous post and it doesn't seem you can do that, you'll simply make the accusation and leave it at that.

 

Hmmm.....so you hate it because of the black actors, but keep watching it anyway. Why torture yourself?

North Europeans are "fair" too, but it doesn't mean there aren't any exceptions.

 

Yep, and Tolkien never said that all of his elves were white, which @Lil Mike can't decide whether or not he's claiming . . . he goes back and forth. And "fair" doesn't always mean "light skinned." It has other meanings, just like "dark" does. And the fact that Tolkien described at least one elf as being BOTH "fair" AND light skinned in the same sentence indicates he meant something else by the word "fair" anyway.

 

When you mash all the air bubbles out of it, I think the case is being made that many (MANY) non-Black Americans have been so utterly SATURATED in Black-this, and Black-that for about the last ten years that now we have an advanced case of "Black-fatigue"! Is there anything accidental about the obvious situation in today's American TV that a racial group that makes up 14% of the population is 'on the air' in nearly everything, all the time...?! Who does this? Why? Think about it....

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I suggest they grow up, then, and stop being snowflakes. Plus, much of their immature whining is likely based on confirmation bias.

Given the number of actors we typically see on TV, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see black actors showing up in just about every show. Even if we went with the whole fake, completely irrational "America is only 14% black so I don't want to see more than 14% of actors on TV being black!" argument.

Seeing black representation in media doesn't make me queasy.

 

I agree with George Martin that fanfiction is damaging to writers and readers alike. Building your own world is a vital part of the creative process and skipping it just makes an unworthy addition to somebody else's work no matter how good the writing is. Plagiarism takes everybody's creativity

 

It doesn't bother me that much. I had a Medieval history professor who once explained to me that what we now call "fan fiction" used to be kind of the norm, especially for Arthurian literature. New adaptations can be quite interesting.

 

Could you quote where I said that I "hate it because of the black actors?"

I'm curious where you got that from.

 

the need to change, for no other apparent reason the long established race and or ethnicity of the characters, strikes me as "RACIST"


LOL

 

Your only complaint here is that there is a black elf in a fantasy film. If you have another point, you have not explained it.

There is no change since practically all characters are new. There are 2 actors who also appear in LOTR trilogy, and they are same color as before.

 

No, you said I hate the show "because of the black actors."

You have the entire thread available to prove your accusation of racism, so since that's pretty serious (and not technically allowed per the forum rules), I think you should either demonstrate your point or apologize for it.