Is Christianity really as violent as Islam?

You personally know the Pope? Did he tell you he's a leftist?

 

When we're talking about quoting religious scriptures, it is important to look into what the previous and following verses say.

"Say to those who have disbelieved that if they cease hostilities, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return to hostility - then the precedent of the former rebellious peoples has already taken place. And fight them until there is no fitnah and the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do. But if they turn away - then know that Allah is your protector. Excellent is the protector, and Excellent is the helper"

These particular verses come from Al-Anfal, which is the eighth chapter of the Quran. The historical context of this chapter is the Muslim-Quraish Wars, the Quraish were the tribe that expelled the Muslims from Mecca. The context of the verses are referring to the non-Muslims who were hostile to Muslims, it refers to a situation of war, not a general rule against people who are not Muslims. It is also important to note that "Allah" is the Arabic word for god, meaning Christians, Jews, and Muslims who speak Arabic all refer to god as "Allah".

Now when we talk about applying these verses to modern politics, it is quite easy for one to claim a position of self righteousness. When the Mujahadeen were fighting the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, it was claimed that the Soviets were hostiles to Islam itself, and that their war was a holy war. The same thing is said by the Taliban who are fighting us in Afghanistan, most of the leaders of the Taliban were also members of the Mujahadeen (who we aided in their fight against Russia)

Here's a fun little scene from the third Rambo movie

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The point is, religious extremists are always going to find ways to use their scripture to justify their holy wars. It's been done by virtually every religion that has ever governed a nation.

 

You know every christian? Really?

 

he says all Leftists want to destroy Christianity and replace it with Islam.



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if you can claim all Leftists want to destroy Christianity and replace it with Islam, I can say the Pope is a Leftist.

 

He knows every Leftist too? LOL

 

I know more than enough to know I've never met a far left leaning ideologue. I guess I need to visit a church in NY or LA, huh.

 

I did not say replace with Islam. You see, the arrogance of the left leads them to believe they can do away with Islam once it has done away with Christianity. You can't. Face down, ass up five times a day, Ronstar!

 

Yeah I guess you do.

 

Thank you for your research. But you've got to admit that an obscure papal ruling regarding a dispute between Portugal and Spain a full 400 years before the "scramble for Africa" (which I am pretty sure is what Ronstar has in mind) is pretty thin stuff. Got any speeches by the Archbishop of Canterbury in the House of Lords urging the Queen to secure Kenya or something like that?

 

First time that I heard this idea....and it does have a ring of truth to it. It may indeed be the case with some on the left, but not sure the percentage. Do you think it is more of an subconscious thing with them, that manifests itself in their words and actions? Or is it intentionally thought out instead of being a response of hatred for traditional America? I think some of the quackademics in some universities probably intentionally in a calculating manner press this anti American agenda forward. Then you have the followers, like the blind leading the blind. Young minds are impressionable and these faux liberal profs, indoctrinate these young people, and it takes years to grow out of this cult indoctrination, generally when they have to join the workforce and start having kids. But others seem to exhibit something similar to the Stockholm Syndrome, and they never do get over what the indoctrination did to their minds.

But I could be wrong...

 

These democrats are either liars, or uneducated on this subject. That is if they are speaking of current times or even the last several centuries. This is observable. If they are talking about historically, Christianity probably beats Islam, but both were violent. The important difference is Christianity reformed itself out of the kind of violence you see with radical islam today. We do not have churches in Christianity nor sects that are behaving like fundamentalist muslims. That is a fact.

So, these people polled were either liars just like Hillary and the top DNC people, or they are half mis-educated. These are the kind of people that threw in with the GOP and screwed this nation of average people, many of them peaceful Christians.

 

So they did, but they were not leaders of the Christian faith like a Pope or Bishop. As my article pointed out, the Pope and Christian faith leaders opposed the persecution of the Jews.

The conquest of Hispania was conducted by the Umayyad dynasty. The Umayyads were Caliphs. A Caliph is 'a successor of Muhammad as temporal and spiritual head of Islam.'
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Isis's claim to be Caliphate is both a claim to temporal and spiritual authority which strikes a chord in Muslims everywhere and explains their success in attracting Muslim recruits from many nations, including our own.

 

Got any history?

in 1430 Europe was Catholic. Every nation, including England was subservient to the Pope.

This order:

"The lawyers defaulted to Innocent IV's commentary, arguing that the Pope could direct his agents to deprive infidels of their property if they refused to yield to the civilizing influence of Christian missionaries.(*)"

This gave to every Catholic nation a Papal to spread Christianity at the point of the gun/sword. In other words, use the spread of the Christian faith as an excuse to invade, conquer, and subjugate "non-believers." This led to the eventual of the Muslim world from Morocco to India by the European (read the Christian) powers.

It's not the religion. It is the people willing to use religion to gain power.

 

So what Christians are fighting a holy war these days ? Has Islam ever stopped ? What nation has a Christian government today ?

 

And when did the Pope actually "direct his agents ..." to do any such thing? The Europeans were indeed Christian but they colonized for economic reasons, not spiritual ones. Neither the Pope nor the Archbishop of Canterbury nor any other Christian spiritual leader actually authorize, or even suggest, wars of conquest, apart from the Crusades. Apart from the Crusaders, what Christian soldier was ever promised a ticket to heaven if he fought in a war?

This is unlike the conquest of North Africa and Spain which was authorized and conducted by widely acknowledged spiritual successors to Mohamed, the Caliphs.

 

I'm sorry. Your total ignorance, willful or not, of the history here really renders any reasoned discussion with you on this subject without worth.

If you cannot accept the fact that Christianity has, over the course of its history, been every bit as violent, often more, after all, no yet has accused Islam of genocide, then you don't have the foundation to understand any possible solutions.

Why is it, pray tell, that all this Muslim violence only started popping against the West over the last 40 years or so?
Where was it before?
Why, pray tell, do not all of the Muslim people rise up as one and throw us out of their lands?

You see, it's not Islam. It is people who would use religion, any religion, to gain power.

Until we undertake to understand why their followers follow, we will face continuing and escalating violence.

 

Hasn't Islam been trying to conquer the West for thousands of years?

 

SUBMIT

 

Christians have Christianity has not

Islam uses religion to gain power through war just as their prophet did and has always done so

 

No. Not since the establishment of the Ottoman Empire.

Of course, the fall of the Ottomans bought the European powers in to assume their "White Man's Burden" while stripping resources and anointing governments that, in general, ended up brutalizing the people.

 

Okay then they never persecuted pagans, imprisoned and killed heretics and persecuted the Jewish people under the Cross? No witch trials, no conquests of the New World, they didn't have and practice and encourage slavery etc. Islam was not much better.

 

Islam is a religion it has no ability to act on its own. PEOPLE use religion to gain power. Whatever the religion.

 

The difference is Mohamed started Islam for that very reason. Conquest and power, not because he was a saint

Jesus did not start the Catholic church that would be Rome

He also asked for nothing of this world

 

The Ottoman's were at war with the West since it's inception until it was turned back at the gates of Vienna, lasting roughly 800 years.

 

For being a peaceful guy.....a lot of people have been killed in Jesus's name