Is Feminism Today Equivalent To The KKK of The Past???

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  1. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why you would consider someone who "would justify the sexual and physical assault of peaceful people" as a "supremacist". Why would that necessarily make them a "supremacist," in your view?

    But I also certainly wouldn't try to equate a bunch of topless women demanding equality with the lynching, murders, torture, and terrorist tactics that were the MO of the KKK.

    That would pretty silly.
     
  2. ryobi

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    In a supremacists opinion men are so inferior to women that they don't even acknowledge that what's going on in that video is sexual and physical assault. For example you did not acknowledge that that's sexual and physical assault. In your opinion the actions of those hateful supremacists were justified. They didn't sexually or physically assault anyone. They were simply demanding equality just as the KKK's actions were justified because they were simply defending white women-right???



    However, if the tables were turned imagine the uproar that would result if it it was men whipping out their penises and rubbing them all over a group of peaceful and passive women
    as thousands of men cheered them on while setting things on fire and spraying graffiti all over something important to them.

    Do you think those men would get away with their actions like those feminists????
     
  3. ryobi

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    I never equated the lynching and murders of the KKK with feminists, that's a strawman. I equated how both groups justified their actions and I asked if feminists are a politically correct supremacist hate movement just as the KKK was once a politically correct supremacist hate movement. I didn't ask: are feminists and the KKK exactly alike.

    You can only put so many words in a title. The explanation of the title is in the original post.
     
  4. Iriemon

    Iriemon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ??? "Is Feminism Today Equivalent To The KKK of The Past???"
    "Equivalent" sound like that is what you were asking.

    Sure you can equate certain actions amongst different groups. That certainly doesn't make them equivalent.

    You can only put so many words in a title. The explanation of the title is in the original post.[/QUOTE]

    "Is feminism today a politically correct supremacist hate movement just as the KKK was once a politically correct supremacist hate movement???"

    Answer: Of course not.
     
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    If feminism is about gender equality, men should consider feminists their allies. Men have a lot to gain from equality:

    -- equal protection from domestic violence
    -- equality in the penal system
    -- equality in divorce

    Unfortunately there are some feminists who publish hateful articles about the male gender in MSM, there are feminists who actively silence male victims of domestic violence.
     
  6. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    That word is what makes you comment a good one, unlike so many here you do not try to equate a minority of radical feminists as representative of feminists on the whole.

    and I fully agree with you, all those who are supportive of equality should be calling for true equality in EVERYTHING.
     
  7. ryobi

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    As an egalitarean I believe in promoting the truth regardless of how politically incorrect that truth may be, and I really don't respect anyone who promotes a lie regardless of how much they personally benefit from promoting that lie...For example Obama promoting the lie that the wage gap is a result of discrimination, rather than the result of choice, which it is...
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Nope, the wage gap when comparing like for like ie woman employed in the same capacity as a male shows that women, on the whole are paid less for the same job.

    http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsaat39.htm

    so while the choice of job could have an effect on the overall wage gap, that does not explain it in like for like occupations.

    TRUE equality would mean that a woman doing the same job as a man should be paid the same rate.
     
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    Truth is a three edged sword.
     
  10. Diogenes Lantern

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    I generally don't like answering a question with a question, but, I would like to, and for now, the short of it is - YES, NOW=KKK.

    The NOW's are very bigoted people but - like the KKK political party (yes, it was ) was back in the day, it is for the time being considered a "respectable" group of elitist people fighting for justice of some kind.

    Now, tell me about an organization of people whose elite members *8 times* over decades have proudly proclaimed that ALL men are rapists, the first to do so being one Susan Brownmiller, who wrote a book on it back in the 1970's.

    Now the question:

    If select members of the KKK proclaimed that all black people are slow and lazy, what would you think?

    10-4, Y'all?

    YAh. NOW=a steaming pile of bigot scrit.
     
  11. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    NOW is a radical element within feminism, what you are trying to do, as so many others have tried to do, is project a guilty by association fallacy. In order for your comparison to work you would first have to find a group within the KKK who identify themselves under a banner that appears to be part of the whole .. when in reality it is not. By your logic a Tea Party member can be taken as a spokesperson for the whole Republican party and as we know that is not the case.

    Feminism covers a very, very wide range of ideologies and people, to equate all people who are feminists based on only the extreme element is intellectually dishonest, and nothing more than an attempt to project a guilty by association fallacy.
     
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    Here is what I don't quite see eye-to-eye on with people who are so obsessed with the pursuit of "equality"

    If one person is born with a 130 IQ and another is born with an IQ of 80, just how could anyone expect these two people to be "equal' ?

    Ya, know? and it goes - of course, much further than that. All of a humans abilities are meted out on a sliding scale, not in "equal amounts for all" - and there is NO CURE for this.

    I have my shortcomings, we all do. But I don't sit there doting over my predicament like an immature child, I just go with what God/nature gave to me and go "do life" with it.

    And I am not jealous of the more endowed among us, I am at peace with myself and life.
     
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    False Equivalence Fallacy
     

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