Is it moral for God to punish us?

I had multiple alien encounters throughout my childhood and when I was a teenager.

And then when I was a teenager I got amnesia and lost most of my memories and, although I remember bits and pieces of it, I can never be sure whether what I remember was real, or a dream, or a delusion.

I just can't tell with my pre-amnesia memories.

 

Yeah......... it seems that our forth space - time dimension.... as well as fifth and sixth........ are the purgatory / hell / Void dimensions?!

http://www.near-death.com/science/research/void.html
The Void and the Near-Death Experience

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Wow!!!!!!!!!!!

That is a really heavy idea!

That could help to explain why........ some sort of higher dimensional energy recycling process would be necessary?????!!!

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05

 

When you do get the time you will be amazed!

I read both of these books in the early 1990's and Wow................... life changing!!!!

Here is a one page summary for anybody who is interested......
http://www.pureinsight.org/node/1165

 

Or, if a god abandoned us in Nexus 6, with Zardoz for being such infidels, protestants, and renegades to His cause.

 

LOL! But..... if time is an invention........... and if it is a bit like a car, or ship or jet..... designed to get us from point A to point B....... then the word "abandoned" is probably a little too black and white when the larger picture is considered?!

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/notable/christian-andreason.html#a04h

 

What about "purgatory"?

 

I hear you.

Those were ----

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DL

 

Did all the babies in those town also make the wrong choices?

If we have God given natures, and follow those natures lead us to bad choices, why did God give us natures that would make the wrong choices?

Please do not say that we could have chosen the other way because that would be a lies as none have ever chosen the other way so something in our natures always make us choose sin.

In not, we would have some of us not choosing to sin.

Seems almost like God wants us to sin doesn't it?

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DL

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I see most doing their best as per the natures Gods supposedly gives us.

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DL

 

They do seem to want us to follow a satanic God don't they.

Leave it to religions to try to lead us away from right actions.

Look at how well Islam is doing it.

Christianity as well if we had not clipped their immoral wings.

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DL

 

Yes but the morals God teaches are rather satanic and only good for producing homophobic and misogynous people.

God seems to be anti-doing unto others.

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DL

 

If the pot leaks through a flaw that God made, and God complains, then only really stupid pots will not complain about God's stupid complaint of his own incompetence in pot building.

Right?

Regards
DL

 

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”
― Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion

I do not see one good reason to reject the bible God.

I see many good reasons, yet Christians can't.

Care to speculate as to why Christians follow an immoral prick of a God?

I sure can't dither that out.

Regards
DL

 

Seems you have made up your own theology.

Who is the angel that chose Jesus to be sacrificed if not God?

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

What angel said at Jesus' baptism, this is my son in whom I am well pleased.

Who was Moses talking to if not God?

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DL

 

No they do not.

Let's look at the free will you say God gives. I say he does not give free will at all or some of us would not sin.

Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

I did not deal with your man punishing man as the issue is God doing so.

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DL

 

Like the Abrahamic God invented to explain creation.

And how Christianity now have invented a God of the Gaps to hide behind the Big Bang.

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DL

 

It's not my duty to justify why people worship an immoral entity.

 

True but speculation might show Christians why they do and show them how foolish they are.

No sweat though.

I have it refined to either fear of God, desire to ride their scapegoat into heaven or hate against all the others they want to see roast in hell. That would include most of their friends and family according to scriptures.

Christians. Gotta love em.

Regards
DL

 

Christians believe man has an inherently sinful nature apart from Christ, that this is just a reality.
If this is true, this would just be a reality. Look at human government institutions, are they any better at handling bad people who go around hurting others?

Now you may say "But I am not one of these bad people", but perhaps your assessment of your own nature is not very accurate. If put in the right situation, it would probably not take much for you to make a very bad decision. Sometimes people have to experience making such a decision themselves before they come to the realization that they are not as righteous as they had earlier thought.

 

If Jesus was somehow condemning the being of the Old Testament, or at least distancing himself from that entity, I could see room for morality. But Jesus links himself to the God of the OT via the Trinity - in that Jesus is God. The first born Egyptian boys who were unjustly murdered by God/Jesus deserve justice. And I don't see how that's done by worshiping the entity that did it.

 

No argument. The Christian God as well as the Muslim God both belong in hell.

Both are running immoral creeds.

Too bad in a way that there is no hell.Satan would be announcing a tourist tour to see his righteous justice at work. It has to be more moral than God's be it Allah's or Yahweh's.

Regards
DL

 

no, it is Mormon theology. there are other views of theology in the world outside of yours. and i suggest ancient Jewish theology as well. not corrupted through a modern western lense.

Elohim. Jehovah. there are other names. you're using an english translation that uses the word 'God'. but which specific name(s) are you referring to? the word 'God' is merely a title (like the word 'boss'), quite impersonal. praying to 'God' is like praying to 'boss'. but what's the name?

chosen by whom?

it is rendered 'a voice out of the heavens' -

Matthew 3:17 and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.”

but whose voice?

an angel -

NASB Acts 7
30 “After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in the flame of a burning thorn bush. 31 When Moses saw it, he marveled at the sight; and as he approached to look more closely, there came the voice of the Lord: 32 ‘I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob.’ Moses shook with fear and would not venture to look.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+7&version=NASB

 

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Regards
DL

 

i no longer serve as a member of the mormon church. i only served with them briefly as an honorary member after the mainstream protestants had excommunicated me.

my main point, however, is that much of the modern western christian theology does not match what was believed in the ancient eastern church 2000 years ago. rather than actually looking at the bible text, you would attack other religions to establish your theology.