Is it moral for God to punish us?

Per your own words god created man with the capacity to sin therefore god created sin.

 

If I create a virtual reality world, and if I populate it with self-aware, thinking beings, I would never punish them for something beyond their control.

 

You answered it in the other post.
You say God created hell. If sin wasn't created, man could not sin. So God had to create sin in order for man to be able to sin. If they were created without sin, and sin wasn't created, then man could never have sinned.

Now, is God omniscient?

 

It is moral, but it is not "fair".

 

According to the Bible it's mostly the little things that are sins. A lot of them specify the death penalty for the perps. The things that we now consider to be major felonies are not considered to be that bad in the Bible.
For instance, doing any kind of work on the Sabbath is a death penalty offense. But it's perfectly OK to stone your sassy child to death and it's required that you do so. It's OK to rape under most circumstances but you can't eat shellfish.

 

How am I'm sick? If you're referring to the last paragraph then its a joke. Notice the winky face at the end?

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No, he created man and the angels with free will. It's up to you to decide what to do with it.

 

I'm still not sure what you're talking about but from what I gathered here's my response:

Just because God didn't created sin doesn't mean that sin doesn't exist. He created man and the angels with free will and a set of rules for them to follow. Because of the angels and us humans chose to go against God's will sin entered into the world. As to your question yes, God is omniscient.

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Book, chapter, and verse please.

 

Then God knew ahead of time about man's and angels sins. Hmm, sin is in heaven. Why do people think heaven is the place they all want to go?

So, why punish a creation knowing full well what the outcome is to be ahead of time?

 

Thank you for tacitly admitting that your god created sin because free will includes the capacity to sin.

 

The idea that a god created a torture chamber to threaten or use is sick. Loving/worshipping this mythical is likewise.

 

He doen't want to punish anybody, and instead hands out free party invites to us all, so if people don't want to come they don't have to..-
Jesus said- "The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son...he told his servants- go out and invite to the banquet anyone you find" (Matt 22:2)

PS-And Jesus told his mates at the last supper- "I will not drink wine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom." (Matt 26:29)
That's me out then, I don't drink (sniffle)..

 

Sin isn't in heaven. It's in ourselves. For those who are saved we have the spirit body which is incapable of sinning and we have our flesh which loves to sin.

The same reason why you might still want a child even though you know ahead of time that sometimes that child makes you want to pull out your hair.

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That's like me saying Ford created death because their cars are capable of crashing and killing the occupants.

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It isn't when you see sin as he sees it.

 

This is just more of the cultist nonsense that makes Christians look foolish. I really don't care how this mythical monster sees sin. I live in the real world. Even the worse of men do not deserve ET. It's just crap written in an old book. Take off your rose colored glasses and use common sense.

 

Believers really need to get up to speed on their favorite ethnocentric Middle Eastern religious fairy tale.

http://www.bricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt22_23a.html

http://www.bricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_children/dt21_18a.html

http://www.bricktestament.com/the_law/when_to_stone_your_whole_family/dt13_06-08.html

http://www.bricktestament.com/the_law/what_not_to_eat/lv11_03.html

Numbers 15:32-36 (NKJV) = "Penalty for Violating the Sabbath

32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.


35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died."

So anyone who does any work of any kind on the sabbath day must be stoned to death. Housework = death; yard work = death; paid sports teams = death; tying your shoe laces = death; flying an airplane = death; cooking = death; hospital work = death; fire fighting = death; driving a car = death.

Eat a bloody steak = death.

 

The angels were in heaven. Satan was in heaven. You said angels sinned. I assume what Satan did was also a sin, it's why he was cast out of heaven.
Do you even understand what you are saying?

No sane parent will ever put their kids into a lifelong punishment. Like a dark closet, or a dungeon, or a firey furnace.
God will put some into an eternal torment. Knowing ahead of time God was going to do that.

What kind of being would create something knowing eternal torment was an outcome?

 

God gave us free will. If someone goes to hell, it's because they wanted to go. Everyone has a choice to make. God does not send anyone to Hell. They choose to go there. What you are doing here is trying to blame God for your unbelief. <Rule 3>

 

Who said this god-being was sane? If one reads the Bible one can't get that he is a megalomaniac, capricious, unjust, immoral and monstrous being. And he did send angels (Sons of god) down to teach mortals before the flood and they took mortal women as wives making a race of evil men who started the big fall so it was gods doing evil raged across the world before this flood, which he would have known would have happened so what does that say about this god? I know this logic stuff is confusing to deists it kind of mucks things up.

If god is indeed insane than can it be moral or immoral, is an insane man moral or immoral no I think not they are ill so I pity the monster, if he existed, how could anyone worship it and also be sane.

 

I thought you were leaving.
I choose not to go to hell. So, you're wrong, no one chooses to go to hell.
Unbelief?
Freewill? Following a script of what is already known is hardly freewill. God already knows where every single entity/person/soul will be. Unless your particular God is NOT omniscient.
But the person I was posting to believes his/her God is omniscient.

 

Atheists have good reason for unbelief we see all of existence with our devices and intellect, advance our reason and science and see an old universe bound by its own natural forces and wonder and find more "spirituality" in that than from any religion and their holy books. And in a trillion years life will flourish across the universe as it matures further.

 

I'm allowed to change my mind. <Rule 3> Foreknowledge does not equal predestination. God is not bound by time and space. Just because He knows what choice you will make does not negate the fact that you made that choice of your own free will. You are free to make a different choice. The right choice.

 

God knows where every single person/soul/entity will be. That is a fact per omniscience.
God knew all this before creation. Per omniscience.

 

Scientists see an expanding universe. The Bible says that God stretched out the heavens? Looks like they agree with each other on the expanding universe. But scientists have no clue what caused the universe to expand, or where the energy for that expansion came from. Who's to say that God did not cause it? And are you sure the universe is as old as you think? You might want to read this. [h=1]Speed of Light May Not Be Constant, Physicists Say[/h]
http://www.livescience.com/29111-speed-of-light-not-constant.html

 

You can't use logic with deists, faith is by its nature defiant of logic in its own stupid realm of thinking.

Let me try this okay deists put on your thinking caps - good boys and girls.

Now you claim god knows everything and created hell. He therefore sets the rules for going there. And decide what sin is and graveness of each sin. Same for heaven.

Okay I decide as an Atheist he doesn't exist using my reason and the evidence from science a tool of reason which he endowed us with setting me up to not believe since the evidence shows we are in a natural universe not needing some divine force as we can see anyway. I die and decide well gee its true and then say I do not want to go to hell, send me to a afterlife like living in Cleveland for all eternity I'm fine with that but not hell. Now he can decide to send me to hell or not its in his camp.

Now is it rational to send me to hell admitting I'm no saint but not much worse than most other people to hell for all time for the crime of not believing when he set up the universe in a way to naturally lead me to that conclusion - yes or no?

 

I have no intention on using logic to them.
I just point it out to show how ignorant their claims are. And they don't even realize it. But everyone else does.

 

Its 14.5 Billion years old, will mature to likely support more life as life evolves in a trillion years and in time all light will burn out as the last stars die leaving black holes to slowly deteriorate until in a far distant future only atoms will be left rarely meeting as the universe finally is gone this is inevitable. Evidence is clear this is all going to happen. Now if this god of yours exists not being able to explain something doesn't mean god did it that is a logical fallacy and why your simple minded but so are a good number of deists we people who use reason want to have evidence and I mean proper evidence.