Is it possible to be a Liberal Christian?

I speak of these hungry children.

Around 13 million children in America are classified as hungry.

As many as 17 million American children have what is known as food insecurity. One in four children in the country is living without consistent access to enough nutritious food to live a healthy life.

This current generation of children will not live as long as their parents, because of food related health issues.

http://www.bread.org/hunger/us/

http://feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/hunger-facts/child-hunger-facts.aspx

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hunger_at_home/hunger-home-american-children-malnourished/story?id=14367230

http://www.nokidhungry.org/problem/overview?gclid=CPTC_oCN57QCFQixnQodGSYALg



I would also like to add, that 20,000 of those 40,000 Americans who die each year from no health insurance, are women.
You said your 40,000 brothers did not deserve help, what about your 20,000 women??

I actually agree with much of what you said.
The democrats give food stamps to people who drive nice BMWs, while many people who need food stamps don't get enough, or any.
The democrats give $850 each month to Section 8 recipients, while in poor neighborhoods you can get an apartment for $350.00 a month. The democrats are giving many Section 8 recipients, around $400.00 to much money each month, and huge numbers of people who need sect 8 cant get it, because the section 8 system can't expand.

The democrats can give too much money to the poor.
And the republicans don't give enough. And republicans give way, way, way, way, way, way, way, way more money to the rich, than democrats give to the poor.

I apologize if I disrespected or upset you,
Chad.

 

Rather than to go through all of your statistical concerns one by one, I'll just say that if government intrusion into the lives of these so-called dependent peoples since the enactment of the New Deal policies through the Great Society of the 60's and up to today (spending trillions) hasn't yet cured the so-called needs of these dependent people (as your statistics seem to suggest), then how and why should Conservatives and or Republicans alike bow down to the ever expanding tax increasing demands of big government to meet the needs of those people?

The Conservative message as coined by Ronald Reagan was to get big government off our backs, for big government isn't the solution..its the problem. We need to privatize everything except our military. Private charities give more $$ to these special interest needs of the poor etc then does big government, but its still big government that makes these people dependent on Uncle Sam from cradle to grave, thus zapping any and all initiative for them to make it on their own to where they continue to be a massive burden on our society and our economy--not to mention on the tax payers who are paying the tab for their idleness.

 

Except everything you said is wrong:
http://www.zompist.com/liberalism.html

 

I didn't bother to read your propaganda piece, for I'm waiting for you to tell me how liberalism (big government) didn't provide for those 40,000 people dying for lack of healthcare, or for those millions of suffering welfare/poor recipients that Chad2 spoke of in a previous response.

 

Because Republicans with a hard-on for plutocracy have undermined the US social security net in order to give tax cuts to the rich (the aforementioned link has the stats on why those don't work, by the way) and the liberal policies have usually been hampered by plutocrats.

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Because Republicans with a hard-on for plutocracy have undermined the US social security net in order to give tax cuts to the rich (the aforementioned link has the stats on why those don't work, by the way) and the liberal policies have usually been hampered by plutocrats.

 

Countries evolve with time, and they become better.

America evolved by building better courts, fire stations, railroads, highways, postal services, and power grids. Our government also evolved as well. We passed laws to set aside land for national parks, to protect forests and wildlife. We passed laws to create the FDA, to protect us from dangerous drugs. We passed laws to create the EPA, to keep cancer causing chemicals out of the water supply. And we also passed social laws as well.

Long ago in America huge numbers of retired American workers, were living in poverty. So the US government created Social Security, so retired Americans could live a good life. There also used to be huge amounts of poverty in America, so the US government created welfare.

This new america was was working great. But then something happened to cause the US government, to no longer have the money to fund these programs.

R. Reagan started this lack of money problem, by cutting rich Americans taxes. These tax cuts decreased our governments revenue, and Americas government was forced to start borrowing money, and this started our dangerous national debt.

But when Bill Clinton raised taxes on the rich, our government had surpluses, and Clinton began paying down our national debt.

But then G.W. Bush cut rich peoples taxes again, and started a $1 trillion dollar war for nothing, and that caused America to have all of our present financial problems.


I know how much perhaps, you admire R. Reagan. I admire G. (H.) W. Bush the same way, for his outstanding military service. But I have respect for Reagan as well. I have deep respect for R. Reagan, for his part in taking down the wall that surrounded the former USSR. His message to the USSR leaders to take down that wall, are some of the greatest words ever said by any American. I also know of Reagan's behavior in times of war, and no one can him a draft dodger. I also admire the way R. Reagan conducted his personal life.

But R. Reagan or G W Bush is not the important thing here, the important thing here is America.

Republican tax cuts have put America, in the dangerous position we are now in. If republicans would never have passed their tax cuts, everything would be ok.

I realize that republicans have important ideas, in every section of American laws.
And I would like to say this to everyone on the political right,
We need to raise taxes, and cut programs, to get our deficits and national debt under control.

I know Americas welfare system, is an out of control foolish beast.
But it seems Americans republicans have just washed their hands of the welfare system. But when you fully wash your hands of welfare, it causes people live in unthinkable poverty, and in poor health.

I don't believe in people not working, and living off the government.
And I don't believe in Americans living in hunger and in poor health.

I believe that for the health of Americas people, the political right should want to fix the welfare system, not dismantle it.

 

Liberals hate God and hate Christ, kind of hard to be a Christian with this attitude isn't it?

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The New Testament is for Zionist revisionists who hate God and True Christianity. Liberals follow Satan, not God.

 

How easy is it for a lying bigot to love god?

 

I feel that this is a misleading question, and so I'm not going to answer you, sorry.

 

Well the Pope is left-wing in the sense of economics. For example the catholic church is pro-life and anti-gay but are anti-death penalty,pro UHC,pro high wages,pro-immigrant,pro-labor,anti-capitalist. With the exception of religion and abortion the pope is a leftist.

 

The pope is anti capitalist.....really?

 

Liberty was largely spoilt in the last years. When liberals were freeing slaves, when they were claiming equal rights for people of different religions, skin colours and gender etc - they were true christians. But once they started to fight with people for the interests of rich individuals they became cursed satanists even if they think that at the end they will be able to purchase an indulgence. So being a true liberal is needed for a christian IMHO.

 

When were liberals freeing slaves? It was the Democraps (especially in the entire South) that kept slaves in chains and were the impetus behind the KKK movement.

 

I strongly dislike liberal ideas but I have to admit that slaves appeared and remained under conservatives and reactionists. Liberal movement as political power was the one who stood for freeing the slaves.
I would rather agree that slavery was prohibited just for the sake of winning in a Civil War. I would rather think that KKK is a part of the strategy discriminating the whites. I would rather believe that today's political correctness is an attempt to please growing number of afroamericans and mexican americans at the expence of decreasing white minority. (which is not so so far but last year was the first year that white kids were a minority)
But the fact need to be accepted. It was liberals who eventually brought in the idea of freeing the slaves into policy.

 

You are aware that the majority of Southern Democrats (which were predominantly the racist portion of the Democratic Party) jumped ship to the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Movement, right? Strom Thurmond, for instance, was a Democrat until the various Civil Rights bills were passed, then turned to the Republican party once it became apparent that the racist ideology of Southern Democrats wasn't being upheld. Of course, they were briefly Dixiecrats, but they realized that there was no path to power there.

Nixon's use of the Southern Strategy, in which the Republican party courted the Dixiecrats because they realized race-baiting could be used to get people to vote Republican because the Democratic party was "betraying" the Southerners by, you know, trying to make sure black people could vote.

 

Everyone does well to develop self awareness.
Its not misleading if you just look in the mirror.

 

Libhater said " I know anything's possible, but a true Christian wouldn't support abortion (the murder of GOD's children), nor would they give into the secular creed of queer marriages and membership with NAMBLA. I wouldn't think the liberal support of so-called artists like Robert Mapplethorpe with his pizz Christ and the bullwhip up Christ's arse give us much hope that a liberal could ever be a genuine Christian. "

. OK . Yes I am a Christian and a Liberal who believs in a womans right to choose,Evolution,Global warming,peace,welfare,ect....
The problem with your opening statement is that it reveals the fact that you don't understand any ideas other than your own. The only person that could make sense out of your opening statement is another person who also can not understand other differing opinions and happens to totally agree with everything you say in your opening statement. In your opening you assume 3 things if one is to be a "real" Christian.
1. Zygotes are living and aware
2. being gay is evil
3.Freedom of expression should be limited by what offends you.

The reason you assume these 3 things is because it never occured to you that there are valid opinions that are in direct opposition to the 3 assumptions. And many people including Christains who do not make the same assumptions.
1.A zygote is not a living being (first 3 months)
2. There is nothing wrong with being gay (They are also gods children)
3.No one person (including you) is qualified to control what people should see , hear, and enjoy. L.

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It is impossible to be a liberal and a TRUE CHRISTIAN at the same time. True Christians can NEVER allow the murdering of unborn children, can never allow INFANTICIDE by women who follow Satan and choose to murder their own babies.

 

So anyone calling themselves a liberal Christian would be better known as a heretic.

 

pssst. Not 100% of liberals will abort or agree that abortion is something they want or will do.

 

Very true. And I even heard rumours that there are some conservatives who oppose war and the death penalty because they take "thou shall not murder" and "forgive each other" seriously.

 

really. Really? Oh I suppose.

 

This is such a bizzare post I don't even know where to begin. What is sad more than bizzare is folks who talk about what it means to be "a true Christian" yet have seemingly no clue about the Bible.

First off .. for most abortions there is no living human that exists so this is a huge generalization and logical fallacy. Im not sure about your Christian God but the Christian God I envision is capable of logical thought.

Second .. zygote is composed of a few human cells .. certainly is less sentient than a cow and we eat cows according to Gods will.

And last but not least .. God actually commands abortion in the OT laws.

Have you never heard the teachings of Jesus ? Do unto others as you would have them do to you ? In other words .. if you dont want others telling you what to do in the bedroom .. then quit trying to interfere with the bedside manner of others.

Have you never heard "take the log out of your own eye before trying to pick the speck out of your brothers" In other words .. worry about your own issues (aka mind your own business) and let God deal with the issues of others.

Never heard of the story of the folks who wanted to stone the adulterous woman .. kind of like how you want to condemn Gays given the chance ?

Jesus teaches "Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone" and when the crowd leaves he says "If they do not condemn you than neither do I"

What is your problem ? Why can you not let others live how they like so long as it is not harming you. Do you not know Jesus at all ?

There are idiots in every group .. black, white, women, men, Christian, Muslim .. and so on.

Who in their right mind would think that the average liberal supports the kind of trash you are spouting.

If one has any respect for the Constitution one supports individual liberty and freedom of speech. This does not mean belief in freedom only for ideas and activities you agree with ?!

If you only believe in freedom for things that you agree with .. then you do not believe in freedom at all.

"Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's .. and to me what is mine" says the Lord .. "my kingdom is not of this world" says the Lord

Im not sure what "Christian dogma" you are referring to .. perhaps the kind of nonsense spouted by wingnut televangelists such as Jack Van Impe, but it sure does not seem to have much to do with the teachings of Christ or is based in any knowledge of the Bible.

 

New Testament FALSE Christians tend to believe that they're going to be forgiven from all their SINS in life, just by accepting Christ as their Lord and Savior. This is FALSE. This is BLASPHEMY against the TRUE Christian bible, which the Old Testament mostly revolves around this. God will send murderers to the lakes of fire, including women who abort/murder their unborn babies.

Accepting Christ is not enough, in itself. You must REPENT Sins, and beg for mercy. New Testament FALSE Christians do not properly REPENT for SINS. Repentance requires sacrifice, such as ATONEMENT.

 

So very very few will achieve everlasting paradise. Maybe you and anyone else?