Is killing an abortion doctor murder or self defense?

Of course its disturbing, abortion is the killing of a baby. Abortionists hate pictures because a picture makes it absolutely clear what is going on, there is no tap dancing around what is in that picture. That's why abortionists so vehemently oppose laws that require a woman to see an ultrasound or brochure with pictures, and why they claim such pictures are inappropriate for people to see.

 

Yes, but none of us here are having an abortion that I'm aware of. We are just discussing it. I've never had one and never plan on having one if at all possible, however, I don't wish to make such a decision for another person, as that is not my place or my business. Women have been having abortions since ancient times. Some would self abort using herbal concoctions and other methods, so this is not anything new in this world. It is now just more safe to have clinics with medical supplies and equipment that is properly cleaned and sterilized and to have doctors on hand. This saves women's lives who would otherwise try to self abort or go to some unregulated black market clinic. You just cannot force a woman to be pregnant or have a baby against her will.

 

The fundamental issue is whether the woman is pregnant with a human being or not. The issue is not education, or medical safety, or that abortion has been around for millennia, or that laws and morality will not stop all abortions. If its a human being, then it deserves the rights and protections all human beings receive - it cannot be arbitrarily killed. If it is not a human being, then there is no issue at all with abortion.

Depending on the hospital, medical viability is between 22-24 weeks. I assume that at 21 weeks, its a human being as that is the earliest a premature baby has been born and survived. Somewhere between conception and 21 weeks, it becomes a human being. Nobody can identify that point, its an open debate, there is no conclusive answer. The prudent and humane position is to give it the benefit of the doubt and assume its a human being at conception. That's what our society does - it assumes innocence until proven guilty, we would rather 10 guilty go free rather than 1 innocent be punished.

The burden of proof to show it is not a human being is on the abortionists.

That means no abortion at 21 weeks and beyond. Before 21 weeks, abortion only if the life of the mother is truly at risk - and that means from an abnormal pregnancy, not as some abortionists claim that pregnancy itself carries a slight risk. We don't allow a mother to kill her 1 month old baby because it interferes with her career or education or its not the right time, the same for a pre-born baby.

Does that mean some women will be inconvenienced, and some women will have a life altering situation? Yes. Babies are life altering.

Does that mean some women will still have an abortion? Yes. And some women will try to cut corners and be injured or killed by the abortion attempt. Because the attempter murderer is injured is not an excuse to sanction murder and assist in the murder.

 

actually it does, if the mother chooses not to grow a fetus into a baby, it wont become a baby, until science can remove a fetus and grow it outside the womb this will continue to be true

when science gets to that point we will have to deal with idiots trying to make 1000 clones of people like hitler or something, and once the clone is 1 day old, is it a baby? should the gov be forced to make sure it is born..... it will get complicated


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A stretch mark is the tearing of the underlying skin tissue. If a woman is carrying a large fetus or twins, there is no diet or cream that will stop it. 90% of women get them, and it is permanent damage, unless as your source says, "Dermabrasion, chemical peels or laser surgery can also be used to address unwanted stretch marks after childbirth"

 

Stretch marks are real, your photo is obviously fake: Nearly full term fetuses, perhaps stillborn babies, all cleaned up and neatly arranged in a trash bin for a photograph. Despicable pro-life tactic.

 

Abortion doesn't kill babies. "Baby" is the stage of development from birth to one year. An "abortionist" is one who performs illegal abortions. Can you defend your position without emotional appeal and demonization?

A requirement for women to have ultrasounds is offensive because early in the pregnancy, a vaginal probe must be used. It is an invasive procedure meant to humiliate women, and doesn't change their minds about abortion.

 

Don't let the photos disturb you, they are fake.

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Why? You have never proved anything you have ever posted.....and your photo is fake....

 

LOL, I expected you take the typical abortionist escape and just claim the picture is fake. No matter what picture is posted, you will claim it is fake, because your worst fear is for people to actually see what abortion is all about.

Then google this

https://www.google.com/search?q=abo...&sa=X&ei=op4pVes5lt-wBJ-VgPgM&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

and tell us they are all fake.

 

Then google this

https://www.google.com/search?q=abo...&sa=X&ei=op4pVes5lt-wBJ-VgPgM&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

and tell us they are all fake.

I know you will say they are all fake, you will say every picture is fake, because you will do absolutely anything to keep people from knowing what abortion is really about - killing babies.

 

Nope, you have never proven that abortion kills a baby. your lack of knowledge of science is as obvious your use of emotion laden rhetoric....

You are so confused that you think I posted that "abortion is moral because it's the law" which I never did...see how easily you're confused?

Anyone , including you, could go back and find a post where I was discredited....it's all in your head and , as shown, you are confused....

 

About the photo, can you tell me why the blood was carefully cleaned off before disposal? Were the umbilical cords and placentas disposed of separately? Where was the photo taken, and by whom?

Can you prove they are all real? Can you prove they are not photos of stillborn babies? And the reason your photo was claimed to be fake is that it LOOKS fake, and pro-lifers have a history of using fake photos.

 

It's still just an embryo in early stages of pregnancy. At conception, it is just a fertilized egg. Yes, we know that much.

 

So how many of those were aborted because of "frivolous" reasons, how many were aborted because of foetal disability incompatible with life - how many were before 16 week gestation? How many were due to maternal ill health or foetal demise?

 

Yea, the many pictures of babies cut into pieces were still born. Obviously you did not actually look at the link. Try again.

 

I don't think killing an abortion doctor would fall under self defense. First of all, abortion is legal, second, self defense has specific legal interpretations which would not cover such an act as 'self defense.'

 

you MIGHT(accurately) call it "justified homicide", (if you're a nutcase pro-lifer)

 

Is it a human being? At what stage of development does it become a human being? Is a fertilized egg a human being? If not, why not?

Viability - as in the ability to survive on its own - does not work because no baby can survive on its own, many adults cannot survive on their own.

The act of being born does not work because that is just a change in location, the survivability and social value and course of development of the baby one minute before birth and one minute after birth is the same (barring an abnormal pregnancy).

Scientifically, there are developmental milestones such as a heartbeat (week 5), certain brain functions (brain activity starts at 12 weeks), the ability to feel pain (about 20 weeks). But abortionists don't like those metrics because that would mean its a human being - and abortion would be limited - very early in the pregnancy.

And that ignores the complications of considering a spiritual aspect, God, a soul, etc.

Abortionists desperately do not want to dwell on these issue because it will quickly lead to a loss of unrestricted abortion. That's why the pro-abortion side only argues in terms of the pregnant woman ( they don't like even calling her a "mother").

 

It does not matter. The issue is whether the baby is a human being or not. Only the coldest abortionist could look at those 100's of pictures and not realize its a baby, not a "mass of cells".

And if you actually looked, and were in the medical profession, you would know the various stages of development of those babies.

Also, the cases in which the life of the mother is significantly at risk due to abnormal pregnancy are not in dispute here. In those cases, its up to the pregnant woman to decide.

 

There were no pictures of "babies cut into pieces."

 

some women DO abort a few days or hours before birth. It's called a "partial birth" abortion. The doctor literally knocks a hole in the top of the thing's head and sucks out its brain. Women are stupid beyond belief if they allow an unwanted pregnancy to proceed beyond a couple of months. They can easily check to see if they are pregnant, so why dont they do so, on a monthly basis? I am not anti-abortion. I am anti-being stupid

 

Please explain how often and why women abort a few hours or days before birth.